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janterry

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19. Here's a good article about ventilation
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 02:21 PM
Apr 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/opinion/coronavirus-ventilators.html
(well worth reading the whole thing, imo - but here's a part of it)


Nobody can tolerate being ventilated like this without sedation. Covid-19 patients are put into a medically induced coma before being placed on a ventilator. They do not suffer, but they cannot talk to us and they cannot tell us how much of this care they want.

Eventually, all the efforts of health care workers may not be enough, and the body begins to collapse. No matter how loved, how vital or how needed a person is, even the most modern technology isn’t always enough. Death, while typically painless, is no less final.

Even among the Covid-19 patients who are ventilated and then discharged from the intensive care unit, some have died within days from heart damage.

Even before Covid-19, for those lucky enough to leave the hospital alive after suffering acute respiratory distress syndrome, recovery can take months or years. The amount of sedation needed for Covid 19 patients can cause profound complications, damaging muscles and nerves, making it hard for those who survive to walk, move or even think as well as they did before they became ill. Many spend most of their recovery time in a rehabilitation center, and older patients often never go home. They live out their days bed bound, at higher risk of recurrent infections, bed sores and trips back to the hospital.

All this does not mean we shouldn’t use ventilators to try to save people. It just means we have to ask ourselves some serious questions: What do I value about my life? If I will die if I am not put in a medical coma and placed on a ventilator, do I want that life support? If I do choose to be placed on a ventilator, how far do I want to go? Do I want to continue on the machine if my kidneys shut down? Do I want tubes feeding me so I can stay on the ventilator for weeks?

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This isn't terribly different from what Cuomo said last week democrattotheend Apr 2020 #1
Or maybe we could just build and distribute more ventilators. dawg day Apr 2020 #7
Sadly, yes Tweedy Apr 2020 #28
It's one way of acknowledging reality. Igel Apr 2020 #32
As someone in the disability community comments like this scare the shit out of me. thucythucy Apr 2020 #42
"Rates of hospitalization going down"? Yeah, right. n/t blitzen Apr 2020 #2
Where? I wonder Tweedy Apr 2020 #29
Yet they claim the 'pro-life' banner. mzmolly Apr 2020 #3
Maybe it's just me but I liked Dr. Kervorkian better. gibraltar72 Apr 2020 #4
Fox was kind of forced to get some doctor ANY doctor on air. underpants Apr 2020 #5
The lengths they will go to for the sake of defending Trump for his criminal lack of action dawg day Apr 2020 #6
I don't want to defend anything from Fox news blogslut Apr 2020 #8
Yes, I think you're right, but it seems babylonsister Apr 2020 #10
I understand blogslut Apr 2020 #18
The reports I have seen said 60-90 percent don't recover madville Apr 2020 #11
The majority who require ventilators don't survive madville Apr 2020 #9
It's also a harrowing way to linger and then die janterry Apr 2020 #14
Sad story davekriss Apr 2020 #36
I'm so sorry janterry Apr 2020 #40
I guess they should just go ahead and die ... rustysgurl Apr 2020 #12
She must have taken the Hippocratic oath at Trump University. procon Apr 2020 #13
WTAF... What ever happened to "first do no harm"? Zoonart Apr 2020 #15
Trump U replaced it with; "get your own first, to hell with everyone else." nt procon Apr 2020 #27
WWJD??? LakeArenal Apr 2020 #16
Odd she didn't mention that because of TRUMP hospitals don't have enough ventilators CousinIT Apr 2020 #17
Here's a good article about ventilation janterry Apr 2020 #19
See post #36 (my post) davekriss Apr 2020 #37
Add Another Couple Of Million To That Lawsuit Me. Apr 2020 #20
FOX News supported keeping Terri Schiavo on life support for seven years. sop Apr 2020 #21
She was breathing on her own. Mariana Apr 2020 #38
It's the lengths Republicans will go to keep people alive when it serves their right to life agenda, sop Apr 2020 #46
Remember Bill Frist diagnosing her from afar? nt tblue37 Apr 2020 #43
When people take infectious disease advice ... GeorgeGist Apr 2020 #22
I can tell you as of right now covid-19 positive patients cannot be organ donors ismnotwasm Apr 2020 #23
The answer is obvious...the 65 yr old father probably has good insurance! ret5hd Apr 2020 #35
"And they're either going to survive or they're either going to die," ... DEbluedude Apr 2020 #24
Her credentials are tremendous, many say the best credentials they've ever seen mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #26
down in the pits of hell, Doctor Mengele is thrilled DBoon Apr 2020 #25
Screw faux news and everything they touch. I wouldn't ever, ever do what they suggest, SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #30
Are they talking this way to their core voters, just die already? ffr Apr 2020 #31
Wait a minute? Explain that Pro-life logic to me once again Under The Radar Apr 2020 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Apr 2020 #34
Fuck Fox News. How long one should remain on a ventilator is between a physician and their family, still_one Apr 2020 #39
They don't even try to hide it anymore. nt tblue37 Apr 2020 #41
Happens every day in America hack89 Apr 2020 #44
I find this sort of discussion absolutely terrifying. thucythucy Apr 2020 #45
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