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JDPriestly

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21. Yes. Neither Romney nor Obama has all the facts yet.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:22 AM
Sep 2012

Was this a government-condoned attack on our diplomatic missions?

Was this a matter of a few rebels in Egypt and Libya trying to push their countries to war in the Middle East?

Yet Romney has an opinion about how it should be handled.

Mr. Romney, in diplomacy, things move slowly. You get the facts first. You don't just accept superficial and obvious explanations. We are dealing either with rogue criminals in otherwise friendly states or with challenges to war or maybe something in between like factions within countries dickering for power with one of them trying to show how tough it is. (Sound familiar?)

We do not have the troops in place to invade Libya and Egypt while fighting in Afghanistan. Any human being would know that.

Romney has just revealed his ignorance about diplomacy and foreign policy. This is not a leveraged buyout. This is flesh-and-blood, destroy-the-world reality.

Obama will get information that is accurate as possible before taking any retaliatory action. And then he will weigh his choices carefully with the help of military and diplomatic and intelligence experts. Romney does not seem to have much ability or training in diplomacy.

Our first goal should be to move the governments in Egypt and Libya to condemn these actions. That way we can tell whether we support those governments or hold them responsible. The murders in Libya may actually have some relationship to the fact that certain Libyan officials are being tried for squandering money related to compensating victims in the Lockerbie attack. So the civil dissension and the clean-up of the former government in Libya could be behind these attacks -- acts to embarrass and isolate the current government? Or perhaps acts instigated by the current government to gain the loyalty of the Gadhafi hold-outs? These questions and lots more like them must be answered before the US can act. Until then, the wise diplomat tries to avoid further violence.

TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — Two former senior Libyan officials are on trial accused of squandering $2.7 billion in public money meant to compensate families of those killed in the Lockerbie bombing.

http://news.yahoo.com/former-libyan-officials-lockerbie-linked-trial-211300280.html

Also -- there are still Gadhafi hold-outs in Libya, so the people who killed our embassy personnel could be tied to them.

Libya's interim president has visited a mountain town controlled by fighters loyal to slain dictator Moammar Gadhafi in a reconciliation bid aimed at reintegrating it with the rest of the country, officials said.

Bani Walid, a town of some 100,000 residents some 150 kilometers (90 miles) southeast of Tripoli, was the last stronghold for Gadhafi loyalists, falling in October 2011 days after the leader was killed by revolutionary forces.

But Gadhafi loyalists rose up again in January and retook the town, expelling ex-rebels and dozens of their family members. It remains isolated from the rest of Libya, highlighting the weakness of a central government that lacks strong security forces to impose authority on the numerous local militia groups which dominate much of the country.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/libyan-officials-lockerbie-linked-trial-17203800#.UFCLDa7AIug

We have to wait until we have all the facts. Surely Romney can figure THAT out.

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It's definitely a game changer lame54 Sep 2012 #1
How so? alcibiades_mystery Sep 2012 #27
It's red meat for the right to chew on... lame54 Sep 2012 #33
really? so I guess the Americans would like to invade Lybia and Egypt. That would show them how still_one Sep 2012 #40
What's with the lecture... lame54 Sep 2012 #45
you are right, the additional verbosity was not called for. To your point. The attention span still_one Sep 2012 #46
Technology - is there anything you can't do... lame54 Sep 2012 #53
Who knows, but I do believe Obama will rise above the fray. He always does /nt still_one Sep 2012 #59
I'm not worried about Obama's actions... lame54 Sep 2012 #61
Maybe. President Obama has the upper hand on foreign policy. All depends on how this lightcameron Sep 2012 #57
After the last 2 wars, I'm not sure so many want blood. mucifer Sep 2012 #2
This is the point I was trying to make this morning Biafran Sep 2012 #3
ABC News had a tv program EVERY night discussing Carter's failings. mucifer Sep 2012 #9
Absolutely - this is not remotely the same jsmirman Sep 2012 #13
this is much closer to Georgia-Russia 08... than Iran hostages 80.. oldhippydude Sep 2012 #60
He already has I am sure. Romney looks reckless and feckless and Obama looks CTyankee Sep 2012 #30
Absolutely agree! Obama will show his best...strong Raven Sep 2012 #38
Yeah, I agree. Romney is going to rapidly look like a total idiot. He doesn't understand Nay Sep 2012 #63
This is not the same as Carter's Iranian hostage crisis. WI_DEM Sep 2012 #48
Fucking ridiculous that your post got hidden. I read it and though I didn't agree lightcameron Sep 2012 #58
We need to start going after Romney... luvspeas Sep 2012 #4
Rootin' Tootin' Romney is the one off the rails C_U_L8R Sep 2012 #5
Romney is even more dangerous as a potential "leader" right now jsmirman Sep 2012 #10
+1,000! The contrast is stark. Romney's shoot from the Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #12
Yes. Neither Romney nor Obama has all the facts yet. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #21
Exactly - this is no "game changer" treestar Sep 2012 #31
What we have here is three groups of civilians in three countries, no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #6
Actually, I don't think we know that for sure either. It is just too soon to reach JDPriestly Sep 2012 #23
It won't be a game changer if Obama makes a powerful public condemnation - today. reformist2 Sep 2012 #7
Has it been officially established that Muslim terrorists are involved? lunatica Sep 2012 #20
Well, in Egypt they leftynyc Sep 2012 #24
I'm trying to figure out what's actually going on lunatica Sep 2012 #29
Romney is still lying untrustable weird out of touch Romney KurtNYC Sep 2012 #8
I think everyone can be glad "Mr. Diplomacy (sarcasm)" Romney isn't president right now gollygee Sep 2012 #11
This is NOT a "game-changer", folks. Obama will win in November. DinahMoeHum Sep 2012 #14
sad for me to admit blueknight Sep 2012 #15
It should open that discussion. Barack_America Sep 2012 #16
just relax, breathe. This is not a Game Changer. No one will remember this in a week NightWatcher Sep 2012 #17
You could be right - partially, I am shaken by the news of a US Ambassador killed jsmirman Sep 2012 #19
when more people watch Honey Boo Boo than can find Libya or Egypt on a map... NightWatcher Sep 2012 #22
It is an American Ambassador killed in the line of duty jsmirman Sep 2012 #28
how many American People got outraged at the number of troops KIA? NightWatcher Sep 2012 #35
They should have a similar impact jsmirman Sep 2012 #37
I felt the same way. Utter shock and then an awful feeling... CTyankee Sep 2012 #47
Very true get the red out Sep 2012 #26
Not true, Romney will shove this down the Presidents throat for the next ten weeks NotThisTime Sep 2012 #55
First we, the US need to find out if this was just a mob or a terrorist organization lunatica Sep 2012 #18
Exactly folks former-republican Sep 2012 #44
Not so. The pile on is already backfiring on Rmoney and the GOP. mfcorey1 Sep 2012 #25
I think the point is that they piled on. n/t nebenaube Sep 2012 #51
yep. it will keep Obama in the white house. spanone Sep 2012 #32
Absolutely not. treestar Sep 2012 #34
no its not quinnox Sep 2012 #36
"no its not" what? jsmirman Sep 2012 #39
its not something that will change the election or is a major event quinnox Sep 2012 #42
Are you kidding me? Even Erik Erikson said Romney needs to not speak about this right now. Jennicut Sep 2012 #41
If his campaign's blunders are any indication, we have seen what a Romney CTyankee Sep 2012 #49
Get serious. GeorgeGist Sep 2012 #43
The timing of the incident is curious, to say the least... Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #50
Good grief! Stop propping up ProSense Sep 2012 #52
Remember; this was a mob, not a country CanonRay Sep 2012 #54
I do not want Mr. Romney answering the phone at 3:00am CanonRay Sep 2012 #56
God help us if Mitt is elected nt maryellen99 Sep 2012 #62
Well, I hadn't counted on Romney being Romney jsmirman Sep 2012 #64
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