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34. WARNING: The Stanford "team" "theorizing" is an ancient military historian, Victor Davis Hanson

Fri Apr 10, 2020, 02:28 PM

Apr 2020

There is a genuine team from Stanford that is doing antibody tests. But the only person from Stanford that has this "it came to California last fall" belief is Victor Davis Hanson, a conservative columnist for National Review, and an expert in ancient Greek and Roman military history.

A gullible reporter fell for his bullshit and interviewed him. So this morphed from a story in the Stanford Daily which didn't mention Davis Hanson at all, or any belief of immunity developed last year: https://www.stanforddaily.com/2020/04/04/stanford-researchers-test-3200-people-for-covid-19-antibodies/ , to a story that went viral, and then was withdrawn by the more responsible media outlets that picked it up, eg sfgate.com: https://web.archive.org/web/20200408180013/https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Study-investigates-if-COVID-19-came-to-Calif-in-15187085.php , but now giving "page not found": https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Study-investigates-if-COVID-19-came-to-Calif-in-15187085.php

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CALIFORNIANS MAY HAVE DEVELOPED SOME HERD IMMUNITY TO CORONAVIRUS LAST YEAR, STANFORD TEAM THEORIZES [View all] ace3csusm Apr 2020 OP

If this is true, does that mean some of the previously "seasonal flu" deaths Claustrum Apr 2020 #1

I think Florida has as well jimfields33 Apr 2020 #26

Half of FL may be at and above the average annual temperate Hortensis Apr 2020 #45

Not warm here in SoCal MR. ELECTABLE Apr 2020 #59

Noted. I don't have an opinion that overrides theories of experts. Hortensis Apr 2020 #60

Each day I am thinking increasingly this might be true DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #80

Actually, my daughter is at CMU in Pittsburgh and bamagal62 Apr 2020 #111

I rarely get whatever is going around at DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #113

Very intriguing Mike 03 Apr 2020 #2

Texas as well. As I reported previously I am pretty certain JCMach1 Apr 2020 #11

My wife was very sick starting Dec 19th. Cough, fever, worse than she's ever had. and it stayed for TeamPooka Apr 2020 #14

something spread around work in december. Cough, sore throat. We all had it. (South Calif) Demovictory9 Apr 2020 #69

We are in Ventura CA TeamPooka Apr 2020 #95

Yep. Happened in Houston KatyMan Apr 2020 #99

Well, I just had what you describe and the Doc decided to test me (yes we have tests in Ohio) and I Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #115

This theory makes no sense Frances Apr 2020 #3

It doesn't make sense to me either. LisaL Apr 2020 #4

Maybe it did, in a milder form that was mistaken for flu DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #82

I think it's mostly wishful thinking. Mariana Apr 2020 #15

Seasonal flu was very bad this year DBoon Apr 2020 #30

exactly........ Takket Apr 2020 #18

Right. Are they saying NYC hasn't had tons of overseas visitors, including from China? Midnight Writer Apr 2020 #28

I read the west coast got the China strain and NY got the European strain. LizBeth Apr 2020 #47

I read that same article. Blue_true Apr 2020 #70

Because we're better people. ZZenith Apr 2020 #86

When I have done business in that region, there is a lot of traffic between Blue_true Apr 2020 #88

First week of March this place was like a ghost town. ZZenith Apr 2020 #91

Well, Oregonians were smart, because it looks like the death angel is largely passing them by. nt Blue_true Apr 2020 #93

We vote by mail, too. And we have no sales tax. Some things we get right. n/t ZZenith Apr 2020 #94

No, it doesn't make sense, to me or this doctor... FM123 Apr 2020 #102

Thanks for sharing that Dem2 Apr 2020 #120

Interesting Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2020 #5

This seems to suppose FiveGoodMen Apr 2020 #6

Herd immunity is only achieved after large proportion of the population gets infected. LisaL Apr 2020 #8

Right. And if a large number of CA people were infected, they would have spread it elsewhere, too. n pnwmom Apr 2020 #96

I can think of a possibility or two. backscatter712 Apr 2020 #13

Could be. I heard that the COVID-19 has already mutated twice. stopbush Apr 2020 #20

If that was mild wow! marlakay Apr 2020 #22

you should ace3csusm Apr 2020 #25

There are 5 weeks in December? greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #38

Lol caught at Thanksgiving in CA marlakay Apr 2020 #66

I saw somewhere where there are variations on those two strains even Cosmocat Apr 2020 #64

Yeah, those might be possibilities FiveGoodMen Apr 2020 #33

I had a mysterious but mile case of some kind of upper respiratory dread in January and into Feb. Alex4Martinez Apr 2020 #77

I have been wondering if heavy reliance on mass transit in NY, Tanuki Apr 2020 #7

Other possibility covid doesn't like California climate, and that's why it spread less there. LisaL Apr 2020 #9

CA has a dry climate Frances Apr 2020 #43

I tend to agree with you Merlot Apr 2020 #83

I wondered about that, too. tanyev Apr 2020 #12

BART and SF busses are heavily used greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #39

Or started taking precautions earlier? Retrograde Apr 2020 #10

Yes, I noticed events being cancelled 2 weesk bnefore official shutdown DBoon Apr 2020 #31

No one was taking precautions last year. Mariana Apr 2020 #56

Bingo, I think density is a key factor. denbot Apr 2020 #63

Californians are immune, Blacks are immune - sounds like someone is trying to kill us. AnotherMother4Peace Apr 2020 #16

The COL is extremely high in CA. Many of us can barely meet the monthly rent. stopbush Apr 2020 #17

Interesting. MineralMan Apr 2020 #19

Here's a post I wrote earlier this year: MineralMan Apr 2020 #21

You have me think now ace3csusm Apr 2020 #29

No way to know, really, without antibody testing. MineralMan Apr 2020 #32

I'm with you ace3csusm Apr 2020 #37

There is a way to know perhaps, if we can all eventually get tested for antibodies? chia Apr 2020 #58

I read west coast got China strain and NY got Europe strain. LizBeth Apr 2020 #48

that's would make sense ace3csusm Apr 2020 #55

There are dozens of mutations. Igel Apr 2020 #49

Yet they are not sure if people can be reinfected or if they didn't recover fully. LiberalFighter Apr 2020 #23

California resident here ace3csusm Apr 2020 #24

I was sick back in mid January kimbutgar Apr 2020 #27

WARNING: The Stanford "team" "theorizing" is an ancient military historian, Victor Davis Hanson muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #34

ROFL....That wacko? greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #40

Yeah; a reporter, and several editors, should have known better. muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #42

Good catch underpants Apr 2020 #51

To give him his due, I think he is a genuine classics scholar muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #53

The only way that makes sense is if there was a strain of something else... SidDithers Apr 2020 #35

Right. My whole front desk got wiped out first week in January, and after consideration, LizBeth Apr 2020 #50

CA does not have the population density found in NYC nt msongs Apr 2020 #36

Nope. If the coronavirus had been there, we'd have had deaths lettucebe Apr 2020 #41

Agree Frances Apr 2020 #44

Unless people did die but they thought marlakay Apr 2020 #67

The doctors in China realized very quickly Mariana Apr 2020 #75

The data, stats and science do not support herd immunity in the way we usually perceive it. defacto7 Apr 2020 #46

Like Ricky says, "'Splain that to me Lucy." Are you saying that the exposure to get Squinch Apr 2020 #57

Are you sure that's true? DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #84

Nothing is sure especially with this new pathogen. But this is the scientific observation at this defacto7 Apr 2020 #114

I don't think there is much data at all on the "load" of DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #117

Thanks for your cordial reply. defacto7 Apr 2020 #118

The observable evidence points to population density DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #119

Yes, I think immunity happens and it happens with or without our noticing. defacto7 Apr 2020 #121

This is a good read DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #122

It seems that page has been removed defacto7 Apr 2020 #123

Looks like the New Yorker has consolidated the DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #124

I don't think people realize just how dense the NYC metropolitan area is Azathoth Apr 2020 #52

This. I was talking about it last week and density was what we came up with. LizBeth Apr 2020 #54

I sure didn't, until I read there around 20 million people in the NY metro area. Here in CA, chia Apr 2020 #61

Over 10 million of those are just the five boroughs of the city itself and the bordering communities Azathoth Apr 2020 #68

Incredible, thank you for that information. Stay safe! chia Apr 2020 #92

Well . . . look at Ohio's projected curve next to the CA curve. Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #62

No "herd immunity" in CA Backseat Driver Apr 2020 #65

Hmmmmm ananda Apr 2020 #71

They could have recently sprayed your room with something toxic - like pesticides. womanofthehills Apr 2020 #79

Yesterday I was wondering if we're already on the 2nd or 3rd wave ecstatic Apr 2020 #72

The theory makes zero sense. former9thward Apr 2020 #73

Sounds like a distinctly suspect theory SiliconValley_Dem Apr 2020 #74

I'm thinking it has sprread very much farther than we think LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #76

This is right wing bullshit tenderfoot Apr 2020 #78

Agree. If it had been in CA months ago the entire country would have had to in days too. Quixote1818 Apr 2020 #81

Stanford: "Our research does not suggest that the virus was here that early" muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #85

Car culture and suburban living here in California Raine Apr 2020 #87

Bingo, lack of mass transit is the key grantcart Apr 2020 #100

Many of my friends and I were sick as hell right after Christmas last year Beaverhausen Apr 2020 #89

Yep DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 2020 #90

That's possible because the first known cases in China happened in November. pnwmom Apr 2020 #97

I think it's due to Governor Newsome's actions. He was on top of this. Autumn Apr 2020 #98

When I clicked on your link it says "page not found". FM123 Apr 2020 #101

Hoover Institute not reliable LiberalFighter Apr 2020 #103

At least not about current health issues Retrograde Apr 2020 #105

No it not true// its a bunch of concocted bullshit Historic NY Apr 2020 #104

We need antibody testing and titers. Ilsa Apr 2020 #106

Anyone who has rode the subway at rush hour knows why the virus has hit NY hardest. jg10003 Apr 2020 #107

the "Stanford Team" is the Hoover Institute, a conservative think tank fishwax Apr 2020 #108

Excellent article; thanks for that. nt crickets Apr 2020 #116

This is Bullshit by the ultimate BS artist. GulfCoast66 Apr 2020 #109

This is basically righty BS folks. No one knows if having Covid gives anyone immunity. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #110

Lower density equals lower viral load MoonlitKnight Apr 2020 #112