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46. The data, stats and science do not support herd immunity in the way we usually perceive it.

Fri Apr 10, 2020, 02:59 PM

Apr 2020

It's not like the fucking flu! Everyone please read the real science not twisted media tripe.

Read about Viral Load. The load necessary for infection is way lower than other respiratory illnesses. The amount necessary for possible immunity is so small it takes every effort to eliminate it from our environment to approach that amount without achieving an amount that's over the top. Outside of that and you have the results of every other country that has embraced herd immunity, Death.

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CALIFORNIANS MAY HAVE DEVELOPED SOME HERD IMMUNITY TO CORONAVIRUS LAST YEAR, STANFORD TEAM THEORIZES [View all] ace3csusm Apr 2020 OP

If this is true, does that mean some of the previously "seasonal flu" deaths Claustrum Apr 2020 #1

I think Florida has as well jimfields33 Apr 2020 #26

Half of FL may be at and above the average annual temperate Hortensis Apr 2020 #45

Not warm here in SoCal MR. ELECTABLE Apr 2020 #59

Noted. I don't have an opinion that overrides theories of experts. Hortensis Apr 2020 #60

Each day I am thinking increasingly this might be true DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #80

Actually, my daughter is at CMU in Pittsburgh and bamagal62 Apr 2020 #111

I rarely get whatever is going around at DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #113

Very intriguing Mike 03 Apr 2020 #2

Texas as well. As I reported previously I am pretty certain JCMach1 Apr 2020 #11

My wife was very sick starting Dec 19th. Cough, fever, worse than she's ever had. and it stayed for TeamPooka Apr 2020 #14

something spread around work in december. Cough, sore throat. We all had it. (South Calif) Demovictory9 Apr 2020 #69

We are in Ventura CA TeamPooka Apr 2020 #95

Yep. Happened in Houston KatyMan Apr 2020 #99

Well, I just had what you describe and the Doc decided to test me (yes we have tests in Ohio) and I Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #115

This theory makes no sense Frances Apr 2020 #3

It doesn't make sense to me either. LisaL Apr 2020 #4

Maybe it did, in a milder form that was mistaken for flu DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #82

I think it's mostly wishful thinking. Mariana Apr 2020 #15

Seasonal flu was very bad this year DBoon Apr 2020 #30

exactly........ Takket Apr 2020 #18

Right. Are they saying NYC hasn't had tons of overseas visitors, including from China? Midnight Writer Apr 2020 #28

I read the west coast got the China strain and NY got the European strain. LizBeth Apr 2020 #47

I read that same article. Blue_true Apr 2020 #70

Because we're better people. ZZenith Apr 2020 #86

When I have done business in that region, there is a lot of traffic between Blue_true Apr 2020 #88

First week of March this place was like a ghost town. ZZenith Apr 2020 #91

Well, Oregonians were smart, because it looks like the death angel is largely passing them by. nt Blue_true Apr 2020 #93

We vote by mail, too. And we have no sales tax. Some things we get right. n/t ZZenith Apr 2020 #94

No, it doesn't make sense, to me or this doctor... FM123 Apr 2020 #102

Thanks for sharing that Dem2 Apr 2020 #120

Interesting Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2020 #5

This seems to suppose FiveGoodMen Apr 2020 #6

Herd immunity is only achieved after large proportion of the population gets infected. LisaL Apr 2020 #8

Right. And if a large number of CA people were infected, they would have spread it elsewhere, too. n pnwmom Apr 2020 #96

I can think of a possibility or two. backscatter712 Apr 2020 #13

Could be. I heard that the COVID-19 has already mutated twice. stopbush Apr 2020 #20

If that was mild wow! marlakay Apr 2020 #22

you should ace3csusm Apr 2020 #25

There are 5 weeks in December? greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #38

Lol caught at Thanksgiving in CA marlakay Apr 2020 #66

I saw somewhere where there are variations on those two strains even Cosmocat Apr 2020 #64

Yeah, those might be possibilities FiveGoodMen Apr 2020 #33

I had a mysterious but mile case of some kind of upper respiratory dread in January and into Feb. Alex4Martinez Apr 2020 #77

I have been wondering if heavy reliance on mass transit in NY, Tanuki Apr 2020 #7

Other possibility covid doesn't like California climate, and that's why it spread less there. LisaL Apr 2020 #9

CA has a dry climate Frances Apr 2020 #43

I tend to agree with you Merlot Apr 2020 #83

I wondered about that, too. tanyev Apr 2020 #12

BART and SF busses are heavily used greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #39

Or started taking precautions earlier? Retrograde Apr 2020 #10

Yes, I noticed events being cancelled 2 weesk bnefore official shutdown DBoon Apr 2020 #31

No one was taking precautions last year. Mariana Apr 2020 #56

Bingo, I think density is a key factor. denbot Apr 2020 #63

Californians are immune, Blacks are immune - sounds like someone is trying to kill us. AnotherMother4Peace Apr 2020 #16

The COL is extremely high in CA. Many of us can barely meet the monthly rent. stopbush Apr 2020 #17

Interesting. MineralMan Apr 2020 #19

Here's a post I wrote earlier this year: MineralMan Apr 2020 #21

You have me think now ace3csusm Apr 2020 #29

No way to know, really, without antibody testing. MineralMan Apr 2020 #32

I'm with you ace3csusm Apr 2020 #37

There is a way to know perhaps, if we can all eventually get tested for antibodies? chia Apr 2020 #58

I read west coast got China strain and NY got Europe strain. LizBeth Apr 2020 #48

that's would make sense ace3csusm Apr 2020 #55

There are dozens of mutations. Igel Apr 2020 #49

Yet they are not sure if people can be reinfected or if they didn't recover fully. LiberalFighter Apr 2020 #23

California resident here ace3csusm Apr 2020 #24

I was sick back in mid January kimbutgar Apr 2020 #27

WARNING: The Stanford "team" "theorizing" is an ancient military historian, Victor Davis Hanson muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #34

ROFL....That wacko? greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #40

Yeah; a reporter, and several editors, should have known better. muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #42

Good catch underpants Apr 2020 #51

To give him his due, I think he is a genuine classics scholar muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #53

The only way that makes sense is if there was a strain of something else... SidDithers Apr 2020 #35

Right. My whole front desk got wiped out first week in January, and after consideration, LizBeth Apr 2020 #50

CA does not have the population density found in NYC nt msongs Apr 2020 #36

Nope. If the coronavirus had been there, we'd have had deaths lettucebe Apr 2020 #41

Agree Frances Apr 2020 #44

Unless people did die but they thought marlakay Apr 2020 #67

The doctors in China realized very quickly Mariana Apr 2020 #75

The data, stats and science do not support herd immunity in the way we usually perceive it. defacto7 Apr 2020 #46

Like Ricky says, "'Splain that to me Lucy." Are you saying that the exposure to get Squinch Apr 2020 #57

Are you sure that's true? DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #84

Nothing is sure especially with this new pathogen. But this is the scientific observation at this defacto7 Apr 2020 #114

I don't think there is much data at all on the "load" of DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #117

Thanks for your cordial reply. defacto7 Apr 2020 #118

The observable evidence points to population density DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #119

Yes, I think immunity happens and it happens with or without our noticing. defacto7 Apr 2020 #121

This is a good read DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #122

It seems that page has been removed defacto7 Apr 2020 #123

Looks like the New Yorker has consolidated the DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #124

I don't think people realize just how dense the NYC metropolitan area is Azathoth Apr 2020 #52

This. I was talking about it last week and density was what we came up with. LizBeth Apr 2020 #54

I sure didn't, until I read there around 20 million people in the NY metro area. Here in CA, chia Apr 2020 #61

Over 10 million of those are just the five boroughs of the city itself and the bordering communities Azathoth Apr 2020 #68

Incredible, thank you for that information. Stay safe! chia Apr 2020 #92

Well . . . look at Ohio's projected curve next to the CA curve. Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #62

No "herd immunity" in CA Backseat Driver Apr 2020 #65

Hmmmmm ananda Apr 2020 #71

They could have recently sprayed your room with something toxic - like pesticides. womanofthehills Apr 2020 #79

Yesterday I was wondering if we're already on the 2nd or 3rd wave ecstatic Apr 2020 #72

The theory makes zero sense. former9thward Apr 2020 #73

Sounds like a distinctly suspect theory SiliconValley_Dem Apr 2020 #74

I'm thinking it has sprread very much farther than we think LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #76

This is right wing bullshit tenderfoot Apr 2020 #78

Agree. If it had been in CA months ago the entire country would have had to in days too. Quixote1818 Apr 2020 #81

Stanford: "Our research does not suggest that the virus was here that early" muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #85

Car culture and suburban living here in California Raine Apr 2020 #87

Bingo, lack of mass transit is the key grantcart Apr 2020 #100

Many of my friends and I were sick as hell right after Christmas last year Beaverhausen Apr 2020 #89

Yep DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 2020 #90

That's possible because the first known cases in China happened in November. pnwmom Apr 2020 #97

I think it's due to Governor Newsome's actions. He was on top of this. Autumn Apr 2020 #98

When I clicked on your link it says "page not found". FM123 Apr 2020 #101

Hoover Institute not reliable LiberalFighter Apr 2020 #103

At least not about current health issues Retrograde Apr 2020 #105

No it not true// its a bunch of concocted bullshit Historic NY Apr 2020 #104

We need antibody testing and titers. Ilsa Apr 2020 #106

Anyone who has rode the subway at rush hour knows why the virus has hit NY hardest. jg10003 Apr 2020 #107

the "Stanford Team" is the Hoover Institute, a conservative think tank fishwax Apr 2020 #108

Excellent article; thanks for that. nt crickets Apr 2020 #116

This is Bullshit by the ultimate BS artist. GulfCoast66 Apr 2020 #109

This is basically righty BS folks. No one knows if having Covid gives anyone immunity. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #110

Lower density equals lower viral load MoonlitKnight Apr 2020 #112