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In reply to the discussion: Tara Reade's public incident report does not mention Joe Biden by name. [View all]qazplm135
(7,654 posts)100s I was directly on, at least 1000 I either supervised, advised on, or reviewed in some manner.
So if your experience is relevant, I would submit mine is as well.
These aren't "attacks." They aren't saying she's a slut. They aren't saying she dressed provocatively. They aren't saying she wanted it. These are indicia of bias, a motive to fabricate. But you know what, the Putin stuff is at the bottom of the list. Ignore it. Throw it out.
1. She says she reported it at the time. No one there says she did. That's a pretty big discrepancy. You'd have to believe they are all lying, and she's telling the truth.
2. Up until 2017, she was praising Biden for his views/efforts/response on/to sexual assault. There was no reason for this. She was not working for him. She was not reliant on his good graces for her livelihood. It's one thing to say nothing out of fear, but she wasn't being threatened by him. She wasn't trying to butter him up. A sex assault victim does not do this. I have never seen anything like this in any of those 100s of cases.
3. When she did report this, it was unwanted attention/touching. That's it. She was CLEAR that it wasn't sexual. This is also about the same time as she started getting involved in supporting his political opponents. That's called bias. That's called motive to fabricate. Does it, alone, mean she's lying? No. Is it a data point? Yes.
4. She then changes her story SIGNIFICANTLY a year later when it's down to Biden/Bernie. She supported Bernie. Sex assault victims get details wrong, but they get the general story the same. This isn't a "it was 230 instead of 200" nitpicking. I don't even have a problem that it happened decades ago. Means nothing as to whether it happened or not. But to give one version of events, and then a year later give a completely different version of events is not faulty memory. One of those two versions is a lie. And in reality, there are three versions if you include the version up until 2017 that says he was great on sex assault and everything else. So two out of those three versions is a lie.
5. She lied about why she left the campaign. Either she lied about her original reason which was not negative at all, or her second reason which was anti-Russian sentiment, or her third reason which was Biden being inappropriate, or her fourth reason which was Biden sexually assaulted her. Again, when most versions are a lie, that's yet another reason to reject what she is saying.
So, to sum up, no one is rejecting "out of hand." There are real, definite, multiple reasons to not believe her story. Her credibility is in tatters, and her motives are in question. And that's even if you ignore the Putin stuff, or yes the fact that the allegations are almost exactly like the ones against Trump.
I'm willing to believe that Joe Biden could have done this. Any man is capable of momentary evil. What I find unlikely given what we know about the man is that he did it in such a cold way. The guy is personable. IF I were to believe the stuck his fingers up someone's crotch, I don't believe he would have just walked right up to someone, no hello, no speech, no "hey girl" just fingers in crotch. Nor do I believe he would have told "she's nothing."
So, even as I can agree that Biden is not magically immune to ever doing something sexually inappropriate, I also can see that the story she tells does not in any way line up with how I would expect him to do it, if he did do it.
Nothing about her story tracks. Nothing about her story aligns with what we know about him. Nothing about her story remains consistent, either internally or over time. She's got clear motive to fabricate and clear bias.
So, it's been "explored." There's nothing else to explore. There's already too many problems. If this were a plane...it wouldn't have wings, an engine, a fuselage or a cockpit, but you'd have us explore the single seat on the ground to see if maybe it can fly? Nah.