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In reply to the discussion: NYT BOMBSHELL: Significantly MORE 9/11 NEGLIGENCE Than Has Been Disclosed [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)283. So not 3600 as you previously claimed
And you seem to have missed the "depending on the alloy" part of my post.
I know fire chiefs in NYC who never ever saw steel melt or collapse as it did then.
Please list all the similar fires in NYC.
Again, for that statement to hold any validity there has to have been a lot of similar fires so that we can establish what's "normal". There hasn't been a lot of similar fires. So we have no idea what's "normal" in this kind of situation and should not consider the WTC an anomaly - we have no baseline to compare to.
What we do know is when a plane crashes into the ground (a glancing blow, as opposed to nose-down), the fire usually melts the aluminum fuselage. So all the stuff about liquid metal and reacted aluminum would be completely consistent with a plane crash.
How do you explain thermite remnants found at the site?
Thermite is a metal powder, mostly aluminum. I wonder if there were any other large hunks of aluminum reacting in that situation. Perhaps something that started out vaguely airplane-sized and shaped.
What of the melted concrete?
Fire hot.
And Building 7? How do you explain its collapse?
I frankly don't care. Most of the people who bring up building 7 are as utterly wrong about the towers as you are (ex. 3600 degree steel). As such I really don't care to sort through the mountain of bullshit to find out what actually happened there. Since they're utterly wrong about WTC 1 and 2, I have no reason to believe their accusations about WTC 7.
Btw, this is a good reason why one shouldn't help create such a mountain of erroneous bullshit - one turns away large number of people once they figure out they're wrong. There could've been something nefarious, but no one will ever know because of the massive errors pushed about the towers.
Why was all the physical evidence removed from the site, before it was examined?
Examined for what? Plane hit building->Fire rages->Floor on fire collapses->Building falls down. Don't need a Nobel prize to figure out what happened.
Why was there no physical evidence
You mean that pile of rubble you were just complaining about? The one where you talked about thermite residue and U-shaped steel?
only computer simulations in the Pop Mech and NIST analysis?
Did you expect us to rebuild the towers so we could instrument them and then crash another plane into them? No? Then computer simulations are what you're gonna get.
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NYT BOMBSHELL: Significantly MORE 9/11 NEGLIGENCE Than Has Been Disclosed [View all]
Segami
Sep 2012
OP
THIS bombshell just lost the election for Romney. This is worse then what they did to the economy..
jillan
Sep 2012
#2
In fact, I do not think they read at all, They get all the info they need from Fox.
smirkymonkey
Sep 2012
#217
Fortunately for Romney, the majority of Republicans think Romney killed bin Laden.
BlueStreak
Sep 2012
#23
If only we could harness the power of stupidity, we'd have an endless source of energy.
tclambert
Sep 2012
#181
No. To the Republicans, this is ancient history. And they have never blamed Bush, & won't.nt
Honeycombe8
Sep 2012
#28
It may be a bombshell to lots of people who dared not look too closely when the experience was still
Overseas
Sep 2012
#249
Gov. Rmoney You Have Many Advisors On Your Staff That Ignored The Threats Of 9/11 Before....
global1
Sep 2012
#115
I believe that a significant factor was his administration was dominated by PNAC neo-cons.
olegramps
Sep 2012
#126
Compounded by the way he and his warmongering ghouls exploited the attack for political gain.
calimary
Sep 2012
#87
I didn't suspect fowl play on day one but over time the 'explanations' didn't
snappyturtle
Sep 2012
#131
House fires regularly get to 2000 degrees. Nothing in a house burns at 2000 degrees.
jeff47
Sep 2012
#258
"Popular science" was a paid-for LIE. Steel does not melt from airplane fuel. Period.
WinkyDink
Sep 2012
#237
My point is you claim foresics were not done just after you talk about the results of forensics.
jeff47
Sep 2012
#294
In the fall of 2000 before the election dispute was settled I saw how vicious the
kestrel91316
Sep 2012
#254
Except that still doesn't explain buildings free-falling down into their own tracks, esp. WTC7.
99th_Monkey
Sep 2012
#60
Got an example or two of something he's said that's been disproven?
freedom fighter jh
Sep 2012
#229
That would be possible in an instant collapse. But the buildings didn't collapse immediately. (nt)
jeff47
Sep 2012
#257
The neocons really thought that bin Laden was trying to protect Saddam Hussein?
TwilightGardener
Sep 2012
#7
Bin Laden hated Saddam Hussein. And I'm sure they knew that. They counted on the ignorance
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#34
They struggled mightily to make a connection between OBL and Hussein in the aftermath.
TwilightGardener
Sep 2012
#41
Well, I think Rumsfeld and Cheney certainly knew. They knew Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#54
Don't be so sure - Bush did not know the difference between Sunni and Shia - while he was CiC while
jillan
Sep 2012
#48
"Neocons in the Pentagon" refers to a disinformation group, OSP, who also fabricated Iraq & Iran WMD
leveymg
Sep 2012
#104
Its still makes me f--king mad.....they thought they were so superior to everyone.
Historic NY
Sep 2012
#9
If Bush had 'found' Bin Ladin then it would have been all over the media for months
Rosa Luxemburg
Sep 2012
#232
And STILL there are idiots out there claiming Bush will be vindicated by future doc releases
Sheepshank
Sep 2012
#18
Repeated warnings-not investigated, not publicized, but ignored. No heightened alert. No chance
TwilightGardener
Sep 2012
#32
President Gore would have read his Briefings. And he would have thwarted Cheney's plans.
WinkyDink
Sep 2012
#242
I don't think he has the balls to do this - and he should. THIS should be the end of the Republican
jillan
Sep 2012
#36
The real question here is what is going to be done about this? Are we just going to turn away?
jillan
Sep 2012
#33
Naivete. Did you happen to read of the REVELATIONS about what the US did re: Katyn Forest?
WinkyDink
Sep 2012
#241
I've always wondered why they felt it important to tell the Saudi ambassador it was a go
polly7
Sep 2012
#255
The most expensive national security system in the world breaking down is not that simple.
Overseas
Sep 2012
#253
Thank you. This is what I believe also. Like I said up thread.....it was just
snappyturtle
Sep 2012
#182
This is what happens when rethugs cheat, elect an incompetent, focus on their own fat
mfcorey1
Sep 2012
#94
You are exactly right. CTC head Cofer Black (later at Blackwater) set up and ran the torture and
leveymg
Sep 2012
#112
Now if they would only admit it was Bush/Cheney behind the Anthrax attacks. n/t
Ganja Ninja
Sep 2012
#116
I assume this is why there had to be story about Obama not attending briefings much of
Blue Meany
Sep 2012
#117
Some of the "uniforms" on the JCS staff did. Mr. Licky Comb is a Bush political appointee,
leveymg
Sep 2012
#127
BTW, History can also thank John Kerry. He kept taking GHWBush to court to get PDBs released
blm
Sep 2012
#124
So DUer "truthers" are no longer being smeared as "conspiracy theorists" consigned to the dungeon?
riderinthestorm
Sep 2012
#136
Why didn't the Congressional "investigation" pursue the questions more fully? link:
patrice
Sep 2012
#156
So Bush ignored the message "Bin Laden determined to attack", Does it really matter??
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#157
Thought about this last night before reading the article. There was NO way that this was a surprise.
progressivebydesign
Sep 2012
#163
Could they have ignored it ON PURPOSE because Neocons WANTED an attack to occur?
Kablooie
Sep 2012
#188
Old News that regretably misses the mark. Bush, Condi, et al were warned in specific terms
Ford_Prefect
Sep 2012
#204
I'm shocked. SHOCKED! (How many people suggesting this for a decade were accused of "tin-foil"?)
WinkyDink
Sep 2012
#235
I watched. He was very very good and reduced Fleischer to a bumbling idiot. n/t
lamp_shade
Sep 2012
#261