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BamaRefugee

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29. They're as useful as "duck and cover" was back in the 60s.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 02:27 PM
Apr 2020

Not going into a long rant about it, but I'll just say that Americans making masks out of coffee filters shows the complete failure of our system.
I saw video yesterday from Madrid, Spain, where policemen had boxes full of masks and were handing one out to EVERY SINGLE PERSON who walked by..real masks, not old t-shirts and hair ties. Here? All you'll see is policemen dragging people off of buses and out of stores for not wearing a mask, which is basically unobtainable.
I saw video where other police were basically beating up some of the absolute poorest people in the world, street people in Johannesburg, South Africa, and all of the homeless people had on REAL MASKS.

If you actually read the entire CDC instructions on making masks from t-shirts,(a very popular post here on DU) which tested out at 50% effectiveness, you'll find that you actually have to have a BRAND NEW shirt of a certain brand, AND you have to cut 4 layers of the material out and overlay each of them with the grain of the fabric going a diferent direction in each layer. And you have to sterilize the t-shirt first. Then sew the rest of it together.(as if we all have a sewing machine handy). Far more complicated than wrapping a bandana across your face.

After doing that, if you read on, it says that these masks are not viable in the workplace! And it further says that this pattern was developed to be used in Third World countries, NOT in the richest nation on Earth. And, it says people with any kind of respiratory difficulty should not wear these masks. And the part no one seems to read, ONLY ONE of the t-shirts they made was 50% effective, with a fit factor of 67 (you have to have a fit factor of 100 to be effective)while the others only achieved fit factors of 13 and 17!. And on and on, with a special warning about masks that have been made by "naive users" which I think would be most of us.

My main point really is: After Pearl Harbor we were building freaking HUGE battleships, tanks, airplanes *within months*, but now after months we cannot manufacture MASKS??????? EPIC FAIL.

Koch Industries make BILLIONS of dollars making all kinds of paper products, I DARE the so-called president to invoke his wartime powers and tell them to make some fucking masks. But I won't hold my t-shirt filtered breath waiting for it to happen.

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From what I've read, they definitely keep Phoenix61 Apr 2020 #1
Yes they are useful. SoonerPride Apr 2020 #2
Yes - they reduce the spread of physical droplets. lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #3
Yes, when fabricated and worn properly. Alex4Martinez Apr 2020 #4
Taiwan has very few cases right now. MissB Apr 2020 #5
Bad logic: A is true, B is true, therefore A causes B. Towlie Apr 2020 #30
Sure. MissB Apr 2020 #42
Yes. They may be of a limited value to the user, but they are effective for those around him/her. marble falls Apr 2020 #6
A lot of info out there that they are protective for the user. It's just common sense. womanofthehills Apr 2020 #50
I'm trying to put a coffee filter in with the six layers of quilting fabric, I think I'm about ... marble falls Apr 2020 #55
I crochet masks. 🧶 TruckFump Apr 2020 #7
may I have the pattern? Skittles Apr 2020 #51
Link to post with pattern TruckFump Apr 2020 #57
thank you Skittles Apr 2020 #60
I want a pattern! marble falls Apr 2020 #56
Link to the post with the pattern. TruckFump Apr 2020 #58
Thanks, now I get my MiL on it! marble falls Apr 2020 #59
They'll keep you customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #8
When you talk it blocks the spread... lame54 Apr 2020 #9
What is the proper way to clean a cloth mask after using it? n/t mokawanis Apr 2020 #10
Lots of hot soapy water and scrub for at least 30 seconds. Marrah_Goodman Apr 2020 #13
Thank you n/t mokawanis Apr 2020 #14
The person who makes our masks Ferryboat Apr 2020 #11
The mask is not about protecting you as much as it is protecting those around you. Marrah_Goodman Apr 2020 #12
It can protect you too womanofthehills Apr 2020 #52
A homemade mask will do in a pinch. cayugafalls Apr 2020 #15
Seems to help countries that typically use them. Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2020 #16
That's a pretty big deal! lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #32
IF everyone is wearing them in, say, the supermarket - yes. Dem2 Apr 2020 #17
Could help some with dust and pollen Baclava Apr 2020 #18
So... RobinA Apr 2020 #23
Some of those desks were made from pretty solid wood, back in the day, distance is everything Baclava Apr 2020 #28
This virus is floating in a droplet. LisaL Apr 2020 #31
Agree - and you can insert filters in lots of cloth masks womanofthehills Apr 2020 #53
On its face, not encouraging. But reducing sneezes would help a lot. lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #33
Better than nothin I think is the key, as long as you dont fuss with it Baclava Apr 2020 #36
It depends on if you know how to wear one. Runningdawg Apr 2020 #19
I Am Not RobinA Apr 2020 #24
They don't do a good job of protecting you from others DrToast Apr 2020 #20
Tshirt material blocks about 50% of CV particles. So not very. Doubling or tripling Squinch Apr 2020 #21
The biggest thing is keeping sneezes, coughs from getting near DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #22
That's how I see it. lindysalsagal Apr 2020 #44
If nothing else Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #25
my mask protects you (from me) 0rganism Apr 2020 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Apr 2020 #27
They're as useful as "duck and cover" was back in the 60s. BamaRefugee Apr 2020 #29
To be fair, we also need to manufacture Q-tips for testing. lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #34
I blame the liberal universities for taking away the Q-Tip PhD programs!!! BamaRefugee Apr 2020 #35
Exactly! Another comparison is asking a man to boil water while his wife is in labor. Runningdawg Apr 2020 #41
No, and here's why. Jirel Apr 2020 #37
I disagree and never leave the house without masks and gloves...no on in our family does...and Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #39
That's like saying that hand washing isn't useful if you don't do it correctly. pnwmom Apr 2020 #40
Yes, it is really too bad were given such bad information regarding masks originally. LisaL Apr 2020 #43
As a country, we are too stupid and lazy to survive this. lindysalsagal Apr 2020 #45
There are plenty of smart people that aren't lazy in this country Raine Apr 2020 #54
Yes, it offers some protection and is all that most can get. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #38
I've read it helps to put a sheet or two of paper towel Cha Apr 2020 #46
Yes. If used correctly. GulfCoast66 Apr 2020 #47
Yes. HotTeaBag Apr 2020 #48
Ya know ... Mossfern Apr 2020 #49
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