Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

General Discussion

Showing Original Post only (View all)

milestogo

(23,088 posts)
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 12:07 PM Apr 2020

Is the Virus on My Clothes? My Shoes? My Hair? My Newspaper? [View all]

We reached out to infectious disease experts, aerosol scientists and microbiologists to answer reader questions about the risks of coming into contact with the virus during essential trips outside and from deliveries. While we still need to take precautions, their answers were reassuring.

Should I change my clothes and shower when I come home from the grocery store?
For most of us who are practicing social distancing and making only occasional trips to the grocery store or pharmacy, experts agree that it’s not necessary to change clothes or take a shower when you return home. You should, however, always wash your hands.While it’s true that a sneeze or cough from an infected person can propel viral droplets and smaller particles through the air, most of them will drop to the ground.

Studies show that some small viral particles could float in the air for about half an hour, but they don’t swarm like gnats and are unlikely to collide with your clothes. “A droplet that is small enough to float in air for a while also is unlikely to deposit on clothing because of aerodynamics,” said Linsey Marr, an aerosol scientist at Virginia Tech. “The droplets are small enough that they’ll move in the air around your body and clothing.”

Why is it that small droplets and viral particles don’t typically land on our clothing?
I asked Dr. Marr to explain further, since we’re all getting a mini lesson in aerodynamics. “The best way to describe it is that they follow the streamlines, or air flow, around a person, because we move relatively slowly. It’s kind of like small insects and dust particles flowing in the streamlines around a car at slow speed but potentially slamming into the windshield if the car is going fast enough,” said Dr. Marr.

“Humans don’t usually move fast enough for this to happen,” Dr. Marr continued. “As we move, we push air out of the way, and most of the droplets and particles get pushed out of the way, too. Someone would have to spray large droplets through talking — a spit talker — coughing or sneezing for them to land on our clothes. The droplets have to be large enough that they don’t follow the streamlines.”

So, if you’re out shopping and somebody sneezes on you, you probably do want to go home, change and shower. But the rest of the time, take comfort that your slow-moving body is pushing air and viral particles away from your clothes, a result of simple physics.

Is there a risk that the virus could be in my hair or beard?
For all the reasons outlined above, you should not be worried about viral contamination of your hair or beard if you are practicing social distancing. Even if someone sneezed on the back of your head, any droplets that landed on your hair would be an unlikely source of infection.

“You have to think through the process of what would have to happen for someone to become infected,” said Dr. Andrew Janowski, instructor of pediatric infectious diseases at Washington University School of Medicine St. Louis Children’s Hospital. “You have someone who sneezes, and they have to have X amount of virus in the sneeze. Then there has to be so many drops that land on you.”

Then you have to touch that part of your hair or clothing that has those droplets, which already have a significant reduction in viral particles,” Dr. Janowski said. “Then you have to touch that, and then touch whatever part of your face, to come into contact with it. When you go through the string of events that must occur, such an extended number of things have to happen just right. That makes it a very low risk.”

Should I worry about doing laundry and sorting clothes? Can I shake viral particles loose from my clothes and send them into the air?

The answer depends on whether you’re doing routine laundry or cleaning up after a sick person. Routine laundry should not cause worry. Wash it as you normally would. While some types of viruses, like the norovirus, can be tough to clean, the new coronavirus, like the flu virus, is surrounded by a fatty membrane that is vulnerable to soap. Washing your clothes in regular laundry detergent, following the fabric instructions, followed by a stint in the dryer is more than enough to remove the virus — if it was even there in the first place.

“We do know that viruses can deposit on clothing (from droplets) and then be shaken loose into the air with movement, but you would need a lot of viruses for this to be a concern, far more than a typical person would encounter while going for a walk outdoors or going to a grocery store,” Dr. Marr said.

The exception is if you are in close contact with a sick person. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that you wear gloves when cleaning up after someone who is sick, and take care not to shake laundry and bedding. Use the warmest water setting possible and dry completely. You can mix laundry from an ill person with the rest of the household load. But just leaving laundry to sit for a while also reduces risk, because the virus will dry out and decay. “We know these types of viruses tend to decay faster on fabric than on hard, solid surfaces like steel or plastic,” said Dr. Marr.

So how long can the virus remain viable on fabric and other surfaces?
Most of what we know about how long this novel coronavirus lives on surfaces comes from an important study published in The New England Journal of Medicine in March. The study found that the virus can survive, under ideal conditions, up to three days on hard metal surfaces and plastic and up to 24 hours on cardboard.

But the study did not look at fabric. Still, most virus experts believe that the cardboard research offers clues about how the virus probably behaves on fabric. The absorbent, natural fibers in the cardboard appeared to cause the virus to dry up more quickly than it does on hard surfaces. The fibers in fabric would be likely to produce a similar effect.

A 2005 study of the virus that causes SARS, another form of coronavirus, provides further reassurance. In that study, researchers tested increasingly large amounts of viral samples on paper and on a cotton gown. Depending on the concentration of the virus, it took five minutes, three hours or 24 hours for it to become inactive. “Even with a relatively high virus load in the droplet, rapid loss of infectivity was observed for paper and cotton material,” the researchers concluded.

Should I be concerned about the mail, packages or the newspaper?
The risk of getting sick from handling mail or packages is extremely low and, at this point, only theoretical. There are no documented cases of someone getting sick from opening a package or reading a newspaper.

But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take precautions. After handling mail or packages or reading the newspaper, dispose of the packaging and wash your hands. If you still feel especially anxious about it, take guidance from the New England Journal study and just let mail and packages sit for 24 hours before handling them.

How much should I worry about contamination if I go outside to walk the dog or exercise?
Your chances of catching the virus when you go outdoors is extremely low, provided you’re keeping a safe distance from others.

”Outdoors is safe, and there is certainly no cloud of virus-laden droplets hanging around,” said Lidia Morawska, professor and director of the International Laboratory for Air Quality and Health at Queensland University of Technology in Brisbane, Australia.

“Firstly, any infectious droplets exhaled outside would be quickly diluted in outdoor air, so their concentrations would quickly become insignificant,” Dr. Morawska said. “In addition, the stability of the virus outside is significantly shorter than inside. So outside is not really a problem, unless if we are in a very crowded place — which is not allowed now anyway. It is safe to go for a walk and jog and not to worry about the virus in the air, and there is no need for an immediate washing of the clothes.”

I’ve read that when I get home from a trip outside I should remove my shoes and wipe them down. Should I waste my precious disinfectant wipes on my shoes?
Shoes can harbor bacteria and viruses, but that doesn’t mean they are a common source of infection. A 2008 study commissioned by Rockport Shoes found a lot of gross stuff, including fecal bacteria, on the soles of our shoes. A recent study from China found that among health care workers, half had coronavirus detected on their shoes, which is not unexpected since they worked in hospitals with infected patients.

So what should we do about our shoes? If your shoes are washable, you can launder them. Some readers asked about cleaning the soles of their shoes with a wipe. That is not recommended. Not only does it waste a good wipe (they are still in short supply), but it brings germs that would stay on the sole of your shoe or on the ground directly to your hands.

nytimes.com/2020/04/17/well/live/coronavirus-contagion-spead-clothes-shoes-hair-newspaper-packages-mail-infectious.html
72 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Damn. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #1
Relax. If you are a fearful type, that information should help you relax. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #3
This says it aerosolizes. But hey. Relax and learn to love the bomb! SunSeeker Apr 2020 #11
What? What thread? I think you may be confusing me with someone else. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #12
Please don't tell me what to do. Thanks. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #14
You can't accept the concept of advice. Wow. What thread? At least you can answer a basic request Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #16
I am not mr_lebowski. You are confused. Take it out on him, not me. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #19
Yup, guilty as charged ... mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #24
lol Celerity Apr 2020 #68
Hi Celerity ... mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #69
hope you are staying safe!! Celerity Apr 2020 #70
Tryin' ... but DAMN I'm bored ... and back atcha ... mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #71
try reading books, that is what my wife and I have found to be very rewarding, I alternate fiction Celerity Apr 2020 #72
Here's your post in that thread where you AGREE with me. I am not mr_lebowski Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #20
OFFS, who cares who said it, the point is to let's agree to disagree. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #38
yes it does aerosalize, but that's pretty old news stopdiggin Apr 2020 #33
I am well aware of prior articles discussing suspicion of spread by aerosolization. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #43
so essentially your position is stopdiggin Apr 2020 #45
No, I just said "damn," as in this shit is scary. That's all. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #50
This is what our president should be telling everyone. Great video. Pepsidog Apr 2020 #57
Mr. Dark & I were curious about the contradiction regarding what was being said Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2020 #67
My sister had a vid conference with her doctor. sheshe2 Apr 2020 #63
You stay safe too, she. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #64
Thank you! Good, detailed info. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #2
Thanks for this extremely important post, my dear milestogo! CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2020 #4
Yes, me too. milestogo Apr 2020 #7
Kick dalton99a Apr 2020 #5
Thank you for posting this. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2020 #6
I was a microbiology undergrad. milestogo Apr 2020 #8
thanks for this. helps clarify a few things, but .... the recent report of two week survival on certainot Apr 2020 #41
These guidelines should apply to how long the virus can live on a mask too. ooky Apr 2020 #9
See attached graphic..... KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 #42
I've seen numerous commentaries and at least one graph that suggest that... LAS14 Apr 2020 #54
We just have to be patient with the scientific process..... KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 #56
Maybe the act of breathing causes the virus particles to embed in the fabric?d chowder66 Apr 2020 #58
Yes, that's how air filters work along with.... KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 #59
Interesting. Thx! chowder66 Apr 2020 #61
Interesting, it makes sense that it's dependent on the material. ooky Apr 2020 #60
Being high-risk, I'm with you! KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 #62
Thank you! smirkymonkey Apr 2020 #10
Bookmarked this excellent post. Thank you, mtg! yonder Apr 2020 #13
Rec! cwydro Apr 2020 #15
I would guess that people should worry about the tops of their shoes Blue_true Apr 2020 #17
I take a Silkwood shower after I venture out to the grocery store. Politicub Apr 2020 #18
Protein shrouded Virus's Wellstone ruled Apr 2020 #21
Nursing homes have a lot of contact. Igel Apr 2020 #34
Understand what you have just said. Wellstone ruled Apr 2020 #51
I know of one case catchnrelease Apr 2020 #39
Yes, Wellstone ruled Apr 2020 #52
Thank you! KnR and Bookmark Hekate Apr 2020 #22
K&R JimGinPA Apr 2020 #23
I'm not sure DU's popup epidemiologist would agree with this stuff. HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #25
Just a side-note................. MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #26
I once met a woman who was doing a PhD in Physics studying the surface properties of liquids. milestogo Apr 2020 #30
Oh, don't get me started! MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #32
That's a point I've noticed. Igel Apr 2020 #37
Great response - thanks! MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #44
Note: James48 Apr 2020 #27
Has it been proven they got sick from mail handling? MyNameGoesHere Apr 2020 #36
No- but James48 Apr 2020 #40
Thank you MyNameGoesHere Apr 2020 #47
I now take my shoes off in the garage and wear a pair of slippers into the house. appleannie1 Apr 2020 #28
Confirms, in part, some of which I already knew DFW Apr 2020 #29
I have a son living in a facility for the mentally challenged. They are not allowing ANY visitors appleannie1 Apr 2020 #31
Good post. It didn't mention what to do about groceries that we either bring home OR Ferrets are Cool Apr 2020 #35
It would help if more people knew the differences misanthrope Apr 2020 #46
That And The Fact That RobinA Apr 2020 #65
Yes. milestogo Apr 2020 #66
This is complicated further if you or a family member is Silver Gaia Apr 2020 #48
Thank You! Botany Apr 2020 #49
Thanks! Very helpful! nt LAS14 Apr 2020 #53
Kick and recommend. Thanks for posting! bronxiteforever Apr 2020 #55
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Is the Virus on My Clothe...