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Warren DeMontague

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30. The related concepts of "incitement" & "Fighting Words" have been significantly narrowed since 1917
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 04:28 AM
Sep 2012

The SCOTUS in the last 100 years has taken a much broader view, than the WWI era judiciary, of the protections of the 1st Amendment.

You will note that similar statements to the Espionage Act, i.e. objecting to the draft, have been ruled to be protected speech in subsequent decisions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words

The court has continued to uphold the doctrine but also steadily narrowed the grounds on which fighting words are held to apply. In Street v. New York (1969),[3] the court overturned a statute prohibiting flag-burning and verbally abusing the flag, holding that mere offensiveness does not qualify as "fighting words". In similar manner, in Cohen v. California (1971), Cohen's wearing a jacket that said "fuck the draft" did not constitute uttering fighting words since there had been no "personally abusive epithets"; the Court held the phrase to be protected speech. In later decisions—Gooding v. Wilson (1972) and Lewis v. New Orleans (1974)—the Court invalidated convictions of individuals who cursed police officers, finding that the ordinances in question were unconstitutionally overbroad.

In R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul (1992), the Court overturned a statute prohibiting speech or symbolic expression that "arouses anger, alarm or resentment in others on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or gender" on the grounds that, even if the specific statute was limited to fighting words, it was unconstitutionally content-based and viewpoint-based because of the limitation to race-/religion-/sex-based fighting words. The Court, however, made it repeatedly clear that the City could have pursued "any number" of other avenues, and reaffirmed the notion that "fighting words" could be properly regulated by municipal or state governments.

In Snyder v. Phelps (2011), dissenting Justice Samuel Alito likened the protests of the Westboro Baptist Church members to fighting words and of a personal character, and thus not protected speech. The majority disagreed and stated that the protester's speech was not personal but public, and that local laws which can shield funeral attendees from protesters are adequate for protecting those in times of emotional distress.
Incitement vs. fighting words

Incitement is a related doctrine, allowing the government to prohibit advocacy of unlawful actions if the advocacy is both intended to and likely to cause immediate breach of the peace. The modern standard was defined in Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), where the Court reversed the conviction of a Ku Klux Klan leader accused of advocating violence against racial minorities and the national government. The Ohio statute under which the conviction occurred was overturned as unconstitutional because "the mere abstract teaching of the moral propriety or even moral necessity for a resort to force and violence, is not the same as preparing a group for violent action and steeling it to such action."[4]

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"Incitement to riot" has specific elements not met here jberryhill Sep 2012 #1
That is true... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #8
+1 onenote Sep 2012 #9
Then we must change the standards of what it means to incite a riot. Zalatix Sep 2012 #31
Your failure to use a sarcasm tag.... jberryhill Sep 2012 #33
Your response incited me to spew Pepsi at my monitor. Pay up! Zalatix Sep 2012 #34
Lots of constitutional lawyers posting today. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #2
How was this incitement to riot? NT Llewlladdwr Sep 2012 #3
Having watched the Innocence of Muslims video - bhikkhu Sep 2012 #5
But you ARE condoning the violent response. Llewlladdwr Sep 2012 #10
Someone murdered Stevens, and that's murder bhikkhu Sep 2012 #12
Just like the rape victim is partially to blame for dressing the way she dressed. egduj Sep 2012 #17
The difference is in the status of victimhood bhikkhu Sep 2012 #20
So if I put up a pro-Obama movie and 1,000 Teabaggers go on a murderous rampage.......... Zalatix Sep 2012 #32
And that's why this isn't incitement. Llewlladdwr Sep 2012 #23
As I understand it, there is some question as to whether the murder of Stevens and the JDPriestly Sep 2012 #27
Quite true. However, the incitement took place on Egyptian television... arcane1 Sep 2012 #4
Romney invoked the constitution several times in his speech about it bhikkhu Sep 2012 #6
It's not an incitement to riot, it's an excuse to riot. eom yawnmaster Sep 2012 #7
exactly, by people who are insecure in their belief system nt msongs Sep 2012 #11
And we have no idea whether the killing of Stevens had to do with the riot and the movie JDPriestly Sep 2012 #28
Only incitement to riot was on Egyptian TV and by Egyptian religious leaders; probably same in Libya nlof Sep 2012 #13
Perhaps true. But I am very curious as to who made the video and why bhikkhu Sep 2012 #14
I also don't think our constitutional rights are guaranteed in a foreign land... rustydog Sep 2012 #15
True, and I'll drop it now anyway - but Romney was the main point bhikkhu Sep 2012 #22
What if I, as a Catholic, killed an artist... joeglow3 Sep 2012 #16
Or a christian killing some woman because he thought she practiced withcraft... egduj Sep 2012 #19
The fact that you had to go back over 100 years proves my point. joeglow3 Sep 2012 #21
Correct SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #18
I'm glad Obama is avoiding this topic - it deprives Repugs of the wedge issue they'd love to have. reformist2 Sep 2012 #24
The 1st Amendment is irrelevant when we're not talking about the US. HOWEVER: Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #25
I completely agree, my friend. LAGC Sep 2012 #29
Right. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #26
The related concepts of "incitement" & "Fighting Words" have been significantly narrowed since 1917 Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #30
Thanks. R.A.V. is the strongest decision on this in my opinion. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #38
i find your lack of logic... ProdigalJunkMail Sep 2012 #35
There's a lot more to say. cali Sep 2012 #36
This was protected speech Yo_Mama Sep 2012 #37
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