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Hekate

(90,189 posts)
16. It is worth remembering that we elected Obama twice. Well done, us. It took a huge effort...
Fri Apr 24, 2020, 04:31 AM
Apr 2020

...by a lot of entities to keep a woman from in effect being his third term.

The "whitelash" is not the majority. We have to keep reminding ourselves of that. Otherwise we despair.

They are, however, an incredibly vocal and dangerous minority, and are backed by some incredibly rich, powerful, and dangerous white men: DeVosses, Mercers, Eric Prince, Mitch McConnell. Trump.

How did I get to be so old and not realize how much they (not just the stereotypical gunhumpers but their monied patrons) hate democracy? It's stunning to me: they hate democracy. How did I get to be so old and not know that for such as these the Civil War never ended? It's stunning to me: the Civil War never ended at all. They hate me, and people like me, because I'm not in the right tribe, even though I'm white.

It sounds unbearably naive, but I've been fortunate to never live in a majority conservative state or town. My whole life, only two states: Hawai'i and California, where things are not perfect -- but troubles seemed human scale. Slavery and the Civil War are not part of our history. Other misdeeds, yes, but the Lost Cause, the War of Northern Aggression, the sundering of the nation -- no.

Sorry, if I've wandered off-topic. I just need to periodically remind myself that by all measures the people in power now are in the minority. Minorities have ruled before, and they are hard as hell to get rid of. But if I start believing they are in the majority -- I will truly despair.

KnR, misanthrope. Stay safe.





That's a lot to do with it, but not everything. Rush hated anything to do with the left. rusty quoin Apr 2020 #1
The deeply ingrained impetus of racism misanthrope Apr 2020 #3
+1 happy feet Apr 2020 #25
I agree. murielm99 Apr 2020 #29
Trump used racism from the start misanthrope Apr 2020 #35
+1 progressoid Apr 2020 #30
Proving the OPs point. Solomon Apr 2020 #34
exactly JI7 Apr 2020 #54
+1 H2O Man Apr 2020 #70
they were already bigots. Obama didn't make them that way JI7 Apr 2020 #53
Yes, sadly this is their unifying cause SheltieLover Apr 2020 #2
K&R UTUSN Apr 2020 #4
Thanks, Obama jberryhill Apr 2020 #5
Yes there is a lot of truth to that logic Under The Radar Apr 2020 #6
What do you mean by "lack of messaging"? betsuni Apr 2020 #9
I'll Try ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #33
Well, I still don't understand the idea that Democrats are bad at messaging. betsuni Apr 2020 #46
You Answered Your Own Question, B! ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #48
Selling fear works more effectively than selling contentment and comfort lunatica Apr 2020 #51
Then Sell A Different Fear ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #55
If the fear is about something real and present lunatica Apr 2020 #57
Hardly What I Said ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #58
I wasn't repeating what you said lunatica Apr 2020 #59
Sorry, I Misinterpreted ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #60
OK lunatica Apr 2020 #61
Mostly agree Cosmocat Apr 2020 #69
In 2008 the balance of party identification among whites was about evenly divided. betsuni Apr 2020 #7
It is a big % of the Venn Mopar151 Apr 2020 #8
he was president Skittles Apr 2020 #10
"They" did not elevate and empower McConnell and Trump. The people who directed the whole Ford_Prefect Apr 2020 #11
ANY of the GOP candidates would have been better than Trump Skittles Apr 2020 #13
They may not have been as egregiously inhumane and wreckless as Trump. Any one of them would Ford_Prefect Apr 2020 #17
misogyny plus racism equals Pandemic. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2020 #12
I'll go with that Skittles Apr 2020 #14
I agree with Skittles. love_katz Apr 2020 #18
Hillary was the most qualified person ever to run for president Skittles Apr 2020 #19
And the misogyny and sexism have not stopped. love_katz Apr 2020 #21
It took eight years to reach full boil misanthrope Apr 2020 #36
the recession helped Obama . and he ran against JI7 Apr 2020 #56
Yes... exactly... any competent D would have won in 2008...nt Blasphemer Apr 2020 #64
Yup, I see comments on things which aren't exactly political from bitter Trump supporters JI7 Apr 2020 #15
It is worth remembering that we elected Obama twice. Well done, us. It took a huge effort... Hekate Apr 2020 #16
THIS love_katz Apr 2020 #20
+1 betsuni Apr 2020 #22
Well said. nt crickets Apr 2020 #28
Even worse, the African-American POTUS was successful and respected around the world. keithbvadu2 Apr 2020 #23
On several occasions I've heard and seen "WE had to suffer for eight years under Obama." Goodheart Apr 2020 #24
This. Books_Tea_Alone Apr 2020 #26
I always thought as much. n/t. NNadir Apr 2020 #27
Yep! OldBaldy1701E Apr 2020 #31
What I have always thought. kairos12 Apr 2020 #32
Yep! RWers got angry and motivated, LWers got complacent... Wounded Bear Apr 2020 #37
I agree larwdem Apr 2020 #63
kick. zentrum Apr 2020 #38
Well said. TrishaJ Apr 2020 #39
"They" were after Hillary Clinton for years before Obama. LakeArenal Apr 2020 #40
i have a conservative epal who only ingests propaganda + is close minded about the moron + pansypoo53219 Apr 2020 #41
"MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" moondust Apr 2020 #42
so many are also unwilling to admit lambchopp59 Apr 2020 #43
That is part of it Dopers_Greed Apr 2020 #44
Fox News fueled a lot of this hysteria. Initech Apr 2020 #45
Don't forget - Hillary won the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes dem in texas Apr 2020 #47
Selfishness is a big part of it also. Hotler Apr 2020 #49
I take issue with the notion that it was "America's reaction." It was the reaction of a basket of Nitram Apr 2020 #50
Sadly you are right Catch2.2 Apr 2020 #52
Sadly... this has been my mantra as well. n/t JustFiveMoreMinutes Apr 2020 #62
Speaking truth to power... K&R... nt Blasphemer Apr 2020 #65
I Tend To Agree, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #66
In addition Spiggitzfan Apr 2020 #67
We still are in a Civil War....the shooting stoped, but not the war ashredux Apr 2020 #68
The OP makes some valid points, but I think Mr.Bill Apr 2020 #71
If that was the case, Obama would've lost in '12. oldsoftie Apr 2020 #72
America was built upon labor theft. McCamy Taylor Apr 2020 #73
Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2020 #74
Agree Frances Apr 2020 #75
Sadly, I must agree with you. PatrickforO Apr 2020 #76
Reactionaries gonna react sandensea Apr 2020 #77
It doesn't have to be "outrage" misanthrope Apr 2020 #78
At this point in time, it's a runaway horse. no_hypocrisy Apr 2020 #79
Sorry, disagree brooklynite Apr 2020 #80
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