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TrogL

(32,828 posts)
5. I used to teach
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:08 AM
Sep 2012

I generally found that one kid in ten was a complete sociopath dedicated to destroying classroom discipline. When you met the parents you discovered why. One kid like this in a classroom was manageable. You kept near him and nipped any trouble in the bud. Two was still relatively manageable; you'd sit them away from each other but close enough so that you could situate yourself between them and maintain order. Three is nearly impossible. Four, give up. At the opposite spectrum, you usually have one exceptionally bright kid per 10 and so on. They can often be enlisted to help. The cohort I went through with had five sociopaths, five brights, lots more near-sociopaths and near-brights and nobody in the middle in a class of about 25. The principal actually taught the class for one day and showed how he was going to have to violate board policy and NOT curve the marks because the results would be statistically impossible. As we passed through the various grades we watched teachers age visibly over the term. One even committed suicide.

In a class of 16 you'll likely have one sociopath, maybe two. Get into the 20's you're pretty much guaranteed two. Get into the high 20's and you're approaching three.

Class size matters.

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but, don't you know, bill gates did *research* and he found out that CLASS SIZE DOESN'T MATTER! HiPointDem Sep 2012 #1
wow i've never thought about it that way. ejpoeta Sep 2012 #2
Exactly. And the size and ratios I cited are for school-aged children (4-6 yo). TahitiNut Sep 2012 #9
i see your point, but that is apples to oranges. mopinko Sep 2012 #3
Nonsense. TahitiNut Sep 2012 #10
you really think 2 year olds and 10 year olds need the same ratio? mopinko Sep 2012 #13
And just WHERE did you find THAT strawman?? TahitiNut Sep 2012 #14
you didn't say that in your op. mopinko Sep 2012 #18
Project star d_r Sep 2012 #4
I used to teach TrogL Sep 2012 #5
You should make that an OP.. Fumesucker Sep 2012 #6
I don't like the use of the term sociopath here, but you certainly have a percentage of kids gollygee Sep 2012 #11
I'm talking about the sociopathic bullies punching kids when your back is turned TrogL Sep 2012 #20
. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #7
K&R This fantasy is de rigueur in the corporate school advocates circles. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #8
I say DO THE MATH!!! 30 kids means 2 minutes per kid per hour. That is 14 mins a day DonRedwood Sep 2012 #12
Kids in day care haven't learned discipline yet and that is what necessitates small class sizes. dkf Sep 2012 #15
Is there a sale on broad brushes that I haven't heard about?? TahitiNut Sep 2012 #16
So why do Asian countries do well with class sizes over 30? dkf Sep 2012 #17
Asian parents respect their teachers and train their kids to do so too. Auntie Bush Sep 2012 #19
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