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Ms. Toad

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5. That's the premise I reject.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:08 PM
Apr 2020

That an oath makes a difference in one's inherent attitude toward telling the truth.

As to murder - there are two broad categories of crimes: Those that are morally wrong (that moral people would not commit regardless of the laws - murder, theft, etc.) and those that are wrong because we declare them by law to be wrong (failing to file a tax return, speeding, etc.)

I would agree with your assessment as to the latter category - because there is nothing inherently immoral in driving above a certain speed (for example), but not the former - because most people have a reasonable moral compass that would prevent them from killing others (aside from situations like self-defense) or stealing from others. In the former category, the laws merely encapsulate those standards most of us inherently follow - and are are only intended to be a deterrent (or a means to separate from society) those who have lost their moral compass.

On a side note - I find it very surprising the number of individuals who identify as Christian who believe that if churches suddenly vanished there would be mass lawlessness. They really seem to think that it is this voluntary submission via weekly church services to a God-enforcer that prevents people from raping, murdering, etc. It's pretty scary if they believe that of themselves, and shows a serious lack of logical thinking if they think their fello church-goers would behave that differently from them (since obviously churches vanishing would have no impact on the behavior of non-church-goers.)

Kick. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2020 #1
If I were to be completely honest, I just don't know Marrah_Goodman Apr 2020 #2
It's far more common for people to lie under oath for defensive purposes, not offensive purposes. Tommy_Carcetti May 2020 #17
I appreciate the careful consideration of the allegation and issues involved. Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #3
Don't get me wrong. People do lie under oath all the time. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2020 #4
That's the premise I reject. Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #5
But should a person who willingly refuses to go under oath be viewed more skeptically? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2020 #6
As I noted - I "willingly refuse to go under oath," Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #7
But you have a religious belief system that factors into your decision. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2020 #8
I don't hold others to a different standard than I hold myself. Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #9
Again, I'm not casting any aspersions on your own personal standards. But... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2020 #10
I didn't assert that people dont' lie. Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #11
But how then do you explain someone like Juanita Broaddrick? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2020 #12
I don't distinguish between sworn statements or unsworn statements. Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #14
Again, you're not understanding what I'm saying. Tommy_Carcetti May 2020 #15
I'm a Quaker, as well, but ... moriah May 2020 #20
I give Blasey-Ford's testimony the most credibility Retrograde Apr 2020 #13
Agreed. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2020 #16
Reade does claim to have reported it at the time... JHB May 2020 #18
We can only see how that will pan out. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2020 #19
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