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JohnnyRingo

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22. Well written, and sadly true.

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 02:06 PM

Jan 2012

I have friends who support him based on the reasons you give. These are normally progressive people who will consistantly vote for our Dem congressman and share my views otherwise. They don't really understand the austere underpinnings of libertarianism, I don't think, but it sounds like a good enough excuse to them to support Ron Paul's vision for America.

Personally, I wouldn't want to live in that country where the new motto is "If you don't work, you doen't eat", and a basic education is something decided by the wealth of whatever state you happen to live in. I think the utopia Ron Paul sees is a colder darker version of an Eastern European country where the bankrupt government no longer cares about it's citizens or invests in it's cities.

Fortunately, he wants to legalize heroin which will come in handy coping in such a careless society where the mob underbids local commerce, money talks, and only the strong survive.

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Why Ron Paul attracts some liberals. [View all] MadHound Jan 2012 OP

I kinda put some blame Kucinich for giving Paul some legitimacy to the far left in 2008 PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #1

Do you blame Alan Grayson also? Or Ted Kennedy? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #77

Grayson and/or Kennedy didn't literally, to my knowledge, say they'd pick Paul as a running mate. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #79

Whatever, Democrats respect the man, that was my point. If he's such a Hitler or whatever sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #85

Wait... you're upset about personal attacks on Ron Paul here on DU? PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #86

Are you saying you support the Swift sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #90

lol. Are you accusing me of "Swift Boating" or being "Rovian"? PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #92

It didn't, nor did I say what you attributed to me in my comment. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #101

Ron Paul is engaging in the same tactics you decry other DUers of. joshcryer Jan 2012 #94

I know you would never claim I said something if I did not.. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #99

A lot of DUers are Democrats. I know what was implied. joshcryer Jan 2012 #108

So the answer is 'no I cannot produce such a quote'. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #116

I said it was implied, I didn't say you said it. joshcryer Jan 2012 #120

Just admit it, you made an error. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #127

I didn't make an error, and your criticism applies to the Admins. joshcryer Jan 2012 #128

Keep digging, we may have to let a jury decide. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #129

I quoted your own words and am sasitified with my response. joshcryer Jan 2012 #132

Quote them again please ~ n/t sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #133

"mired in low level, boring, unimportant, mean-spirited, schoolyard rhetoric" joshcryer Jan 2012 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #136

I asked you for a quote sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #137

That's your quote. I'm sorry if it's not clear to you. joshcryer Jan 2012 #138

Does it? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #140

That's what your post implied and a logical conclusion. Do you disagree? joshcryer Jan 2012 #142

There is nothing wrong with it, what is wrong is that you inserted sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #144

It was implied. Get it? joshcryer Jan 2012 #146

It was NOT implied. How many times do you have to be told something? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #168

You're posting on DU, the readers are DUers, please spare me this nonsense. joshcryer Jan 2012 #172

This message was self-deleted by its author whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #105

Great. Just what we need on a Dem board eridani Jan 2012 #150

Speaking of clues, here's what I was referring to. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #155

You do understand that the US military empire exists mainly for the 1%, right? eridani Jan 2012 #158

Claiming to align with Ron Paul's position on international matters is either terrifying or ignorant PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #159

Anti-imperialism has always had right and left components eridani Jan 2012 #160

You nailed it. The attempt is to smear anyone who dare challenge War, War on Drugs as Romulox Jan 2012 #184

Ron Paul DOESN'T attract "liberals." He attracts myopic, single-issue bots. ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #2

Yep. Rex Jan 2012 #5

The key point, however, is that DEMS could be attracting those single-issue bots instead... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #7

Impossible ProSense Jan 2012 #10

ROFL... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #12

Don't ProSense Jan 2012 #14

So let me get this straight. If Dems defend traditional Dem values... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #17

Wait ProSense Jan 2012 #18

True. So any Dem who is truly anti-war could walk away with those particular... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #20

Are ProSense Jan 2012 #24

I'm saying Paul has managed to portray himself as more anti-war than his... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #28

He ProSense Jan 2012 #33

So you're saying it's liberals, not Paul, portraying him as anti-war? ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #36

There ProSense Jan 2012 #39

Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #43

Who? What progressives are doing so? Rex Jan 2012 #42

Wow ProSense Jan 2012 #45

So if Madhound makes a thread on it, it must be true eh? Rex Jan 2012 #48

I ProSense Jan 2012 #54

Where are the endorsements? And anti-war is a single issue. Rex Jan 2012 #58

What? ProSense Jan 2012 #62

Actually, Glenn does not think Paul is a serious candidate and has Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #122

Regardless of how "he has been able to," it's obvious that taking a strong anti-war... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #47

Single issue voters are very dangerous. Rex Jan 2012 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #68

Forget Paul, he's not even a consideration here, so I don't get the obsession with him. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #81

Thanks! Rex Jan 2012 #141

Well the POTUS did bring home the troops from Iraq Rex Jan 2012 #29

Amen. Let's hope his campaign shouts it from the rooftops. ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #31

Amen. It should be part of the platform. Rex Jan 2012 #38

You nailed it, and I imagine you'll get hammered for it. saras Jan 2012 #66

Some folks just have trouble with difficult concepts-- eridani Jan 2012 #153

thats too harsh SaintPete Jan 2012 #21

His positions are NOT liberal. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #23

I think the poster means his positions that are perceived as liberal. ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #25

Agreed, but it's an important distinction. They are not liberal positions. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #30

Your point is well taken SaintPete Jan 2012 #50

It's still worth piggybacking on his rhetoric Cannoneo Jan 2012 #154

I wish I could recommend your post Rex Jan 2012 #27

in other words ... the "independents" zbdent Jan 2012 #26

The college kids like his anit MIC stance and pro weed stance, sarcasmo Jan 2012 #53

Well said... SidDithers Jan 2012 #55

True, how could they pass up the 98% material Rex Jan 2012 #60

The irony is did you know one the the earliest major online promoters of Paul Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #171

Fuck Ron Paul William769 Jan 2012 #3

Yes customerserviceguy Jan 2012 #46

He's ProSense Jan 2012 #4

It's odd that you would mention "civil liberties" in MineralMan Jan 2012 #6

I don't see civil liberties as exactly the same as civil rights, though closely related. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #51

Marvelous post. Thank you. nt woo me with science Jan 2012 #61

If you do not have civil rights, you have no civil liberties. MineralMan Jan 2012 #157

I said as much though without civil liberties civil rights is just equal access to no rights. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #176

it's no mystery to me whatsoever Enrique Jan 2012 #8

Ron Paul is not for Civil Liberties on the whole! MineralMan Jan 2012 #11

In all fairness, the poster DID type Rex Jan 2012 #35

Yes. I don't know anyone I'd class as a liberal who MineralMan Jan 2012 #41

I cannot even believe he is considered a serious candidate! Rex Jan 2012 #44

He's not. Watch how few votes he gets in the upcoming primaries. joshcryer Jan 2012 #80

Hmmm? ProSense Jan 2012 #13

Haven't you heard, we don't do "nuance" on this board. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #9

How about education, Madhound? MineralMan Jan 2012 #15

I'm amazed that "trashing the economy" is used as an illustration here. joshcryer Jan 2012 #74

I think what was meant by 'trashing the economy'... LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #91

Yes, and the OP thinks "ending the wars" is not as important as avoiding "trashing the economy." joshcryer Jan 2012 #112

Where did I mention "trashing the economy?" MineralMan Jan 2012 #106

The OP did. I was agreeing with you. joshcryer Jan 2012 #110

Oh, OK. I didn't quite see that connection. MineralMan Jan 2012 #111

LOL! Praising with faint damn. He's a homophobe DevonRex Jan 2012 #16

Yup. Ron Paul is a libertarian. MineralMan Jan 2012 #19

And since he's all for states' rights, DevonRex Jan 2012 #56

Don't look there..let me sell you on his anti-war stance. great white snark Jan 2012 #34

You've got it right. DevonRex Jan 2012 #57

Well written, and sadly true. JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #22

Paul is a racist as well as a homophobe and sexist Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #32

He only attracts "liberals" who don't think much. MineralMan Jan 2012 #37

What do you think? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #100

What do I think about what? MineralMan Jan 2012 #103

You indicated that you entertained the though that the OP sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #107

You will find my opinions of Ron Paul in all of my posts in this thread. MineralMan Jan 2012 #113

I was speaking of your opinion of the OP who was the subject of your comment. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #117

He asked MH a question. Something wrong with that? DevonRex Jan 2012 #135

Yes, if the question contains an accusation. Which is why I asked for clarification. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #139

I have no particular opinion of the person who posted. MineralMan Jan 2012 #149

Perhaps, people often do read more into things than is intended. Which is why I sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #161

OK. I often ask questions. That's how I find out things. MineralMan Jan 2012 #163

Well now you know that Madhound has been on DU for ten years is a longtime Democrat sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #164

When I ask a question, it is a question. MineralMan Jan 2012 #165

I'm not 'implying' anything, I am saying that the question you asked sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #166

Yes, and the question remains unanswered by the OP. MineralMan Jan 2012 #167

Now you are accusing me of something nefarious? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #170

Here is the problem at big issue items nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #40

That means it is our job to present a liberal path to the same ends. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #59

I watched Ronald Reagan using the same racist dog whistles to attract some "liberals", once NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #49

Great analysis. Some are obviously irked that you didn't chant "racist" after mentioning Paul's name Skip Intro Jan 2012 #63

Ron Paul ProSense Jan 2012 #64

And Skip Intro Jan 2012 #67

See ProSense Jan 2012 #69

Wow. Skip Intro Jan 2012 #71

I'm ProSense Jan 2012 #72

Nice job in this thread. woo me with science Jan 2012 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author ProSense Jan 2012 #70

But what does it matter whether it's based on personal racism or on 'limited government'? LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #89

I'd like your take on these quotes in regard to AIDS, from Paul: Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #147

Link? Skip Intro Jan 2012 #173

Can joshcryer Jan 2012 #75

Not ProSense Jan 2012 #76

I joshcryer Jan 2012 #78

Here's ProSense Jan 2012 #82

Well, I am not even compelled to read a post unless there's info in the title. joshcryer Jan 2012 #83

That's ProSense Jan 2012 #84

It's definitely not normal posting behavior. It's very strange. Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #121

. ProSense Jan 2012 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #119

he's intoxicating alright... Whisp Jan 2012 #65

But, Ron Paul has no positions that are compatible with liberals. joshcryer Jan 2012 #73

Presumes a fact not in evidence cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #87

I'm pretty liberal, and I'm still young. I can't stand libertarians. tnvoter Jan 2012 #88

His stance on war is much more in line with hard right isolationists of the 1930's and early 1940's alcibiades_mystery Jan 2012 #93

Thus the Neocon arguments were said to have mutated from those of the Left. Romulox Jan 2012 #97

You are, of course, correct alcibiades_mystery Jan 2012 #98

Otherwise known as "internationalism" to the war communists. joshcryer Jan 2012 #115

Their primary argument alcibiades_mystery Jan 2012 #125

It went on for awhile, at least until the 50s-60s. We know Cuba was behind that sort of thing. joshcryer Jan 2012 #126

Paul exposes the fact that many Democrats *enthusiastically* (not reluctantly!) support War, War on Romulox Jan 2012 #95

You hit the nail on the head. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #104

Wait, wait, wait just a second... a la izquierda Jan 2012 #177

Have you ever heard of the "Third Way" and the "New Democrat" movement??? It's EXACTLY what you Romulox Jan 2012 #185

I haven't heard those exact labels... a la izquierda Jan 2012 #189

Newsflash: ProSense Jan 2012 #109

+1 AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #114

You don't actually defend War, War on Drugs--instead you accuse anyone who holds these positions of Romulox Jan 2012 #186

Great post! Too bad your thoughtful observation will be lost in the din of invective whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #102

You don't know why you should vote for Obama BUT DevonRex Jan 2012 #118

Worse, pro-economy is more important than anti-war. joshcryer Jan 2012 #124

Unfuckingbelievable! DevonRex Jan 2012 #130

It's right there in the OP: joshcryer Jan 2012 #131

He uses Old Spice? Rex Jan 2012 #143

That's what my grandfather used. I loved DevonRex Jan 2012 #145

he is the only anti war candidate mdmc Jan 2012 #148

Who else? Quantess Jan 2012 #174

he doesn't attract this liberal spanone Jan 2012 #151

What liberals endorse Ron Paul? Cannoneo Jan 2012 #152

+1 whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #162

easy kcretired Jan 2012 #156

He's irrelevant pokerfan Jan 2012 #169

And Pat Buchanan attracts some liberals for his stance on free trade? I don't think so. pampango Jan 2012 #175

Perfect example. ProSense Jan 2012 #178

Um, NAFTA is loved by CATO, US Chamber of Commerce, Mitt Romney, et al. So what's your point? Romulox Jan 2012 #180

Does ProSense Jan 2012 #181

Um, the poster I *responded to* was doing just that. Romulox Jan 2012 #182

No ProSense Jan 2012 #183

You Romulox Jan 2012 #187

Here's ProSense Jan 2012 #188

"...easily overlook the insanity of the rest of his positions."? Wait Wut Jan 2012 #179

Exactly, ProSense Jan 2012 #191

It's really not that hard to get. He's the only person talking about our foreign policy or the drug Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #190

Is Paul and his views viable? Without knowing what info a president babylonsister Jan 2012 #192

He answers that when asked, but generally his campaign is anti-deficit. joshcryer Jan 2012 #193