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17. Need to make some corrections to your point

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 03:11 PM

Jan 2012

A transexual MAN would never be in the Miss California contest. A transexual WOMAN could.

I don't see how the porn actress reading to kids has anything to do with a gay woman participating in a pageant so she can work with LGBTQ kids. One could almost think you're comparing gay folks, with the porn industry and if you really care about our dignity, you probably don't want to compare us to porn actresses.

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awesome...she is beautiful handmade34 Jan 2012 #1

Yes she is. William769 Jan 2012 #2

I give her a 7 itsrobert Jan 2012 #4

What?? handmade34 Jan 2012 #5

I was basing on outer appearance only itsrobert Jan 2012 #13

You're going to get a lot of shit for it from the feminists here Eliminator Jan 2012 #41

There are no 'Tens' until I meet them. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #53

on second thought 8-9, closer to 9-10 on outlook and diversity Demonaut Jan 2012 #12

7 seems about right. Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #61

Come on. She's gorgeous. FloridaJudy Jan 2012 #169

I do see something there itsrobert Jan 2012 #178

but 7 is gorgeous also, it's above average JI7 Jan 2012 #202

The "1 to 10" rating is a bell curve. Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #213

yes she is beautiful... one_voice Jan 2012 #28

Natural? itsrobert Jan 2012 #49

not all of us women with full lips had them injected. Maine-ah Jan 2012 #56

Why do you assume she's had... one_voice Jan 2012 #88

she doesn't have the pageant look JI7 Jan 2012 #36

I bet she is very smart and funny and charming Eliminator Jan 2012 #50

Miss California! iverglas Jan 2012 #148

and here's a collector's item! iverglas Jan 2012 #179

"Maybe Mollie here will do us proud and do the same." redqueen Jan 2012 #197

She looks a bit like the woman in the bottom picture of this post. (pic heavy) Zorra Jan 2012 #194

I've never been much of a fan of those things but I hope she wins! MADem Jan 2012 #3

I didnt think Lesbians would have any interest in a puerile sport. WingDinger Jan 2012 #6

Lesbians like to get laid too. nt justiceischeap Jan 2012 #7

That is achievable even without joining a meat contest. WingDinger Jan 2012 #10

Would she be getting the publicity she's getting now to work with LGBTQ youth? justiceischeap Jan 2012 #11

Again, mixed feelings. Same as the Santorum thing. Not that I'm gay, but I care about their dignity. WingDinger Jan 2012 #14

She only loses dignity if she's forced into it or she allows herself to act undignified justiceischeap Jan 2012 #15

If you joined the Tea Party, and were not forced into it, do you retain your full dignity? WingDinger Jan 2012 #16

I don't see the correlation to the Tea Party and a beauty pageant. justiceischeap Jan 2012 #18

when i see the men struttin acoss the stage in next to nothing, and we judge him on his looks seabeyond Jan 2012 #38

but he's not just a piece of meat, dammit!! getdown Jan 2012 #91

yes he is. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #158

I was in the castro, for holloween and entered the contest. WingDinger Jan 2012 #212

Ask, and you shall... Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #92

are they gay? getdown Jan 2012 #162

I don't know, or care Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #163

that's a good point getdown Jan 2012 #164

um....I guess in your little bubble you've never heard of.... zappaman Jan 2012 #94

the whole concept of beauty pageants is undignified getdown Jan 2012 #89

Need to make some corrections to your point justiceischeap Jan 2012 #17

Outgroup communities are similar. I would not call gays mainstream. WingDinger Jan 2012 #19

Yeah but comparing the LGBTQ community to the Tea Party or the porn industry justiceischeap Jan 2012 #23

Mainstreaming gays is a new trend. They had to wait for minorities and women. WingDinger Jan 2012 #24

um iverglas Jan 2012 #25

CHURCH!! WingDinger Jan 2012 #26

I don't know that I understood that, iverglas Jan 2012 #27

Church. Urban slang word. Similar to WORD, in the seventies. WingDinger Jan 2012 #29

omg iverglas Jan 2012 #51

"Why would anybody want to do any of those things?" I dunno, maybe because they're NOT YOU. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #69

I suspect that you ... iverglas Jan 2012 #82

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oooh, "frothy" iverglas Jan 2012 #124

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retract iverglas Jan 2012 #133

why the fuck would I retract? Your words are in this thread, for all to see. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #144

filth iverglas Jan 2012 #156

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as Samuel Clemens said iverglas Jan 2012 #166

Twain had little use or patience for puritannical would-be censors. nt Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #252

True. n/t zappaman Jan 2012 #254

He evidently had zero tolerance for liars iverglas Jan 2012 #255

As do I Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #257

And people who have a problem with Sasha Grey need to grow the fuck up Eliminator Jan 2012 #43

who leak the info she was in porn? she made sure it got out. because it was about reading to kids? seabeyond Jan 2012 #59

who knows who leaked it? zappaman Jan 2012 #60

cute... since parents dont sit around for people to read to the kids. how about HER twittering seabeyond Jan 2012 #63

The whole damn point of twitter is to tell people stuff, like what you did today. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #71

it is also to get attention. she got it. so? nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #77

so? zappaman Jan 2012 #80

Way to miss the point Eliminator Jan 2012 #72

odd iverglas Jan 2012 #98

"she makes movies for grown-ups", that's what you say. And you're done. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #135

And, the issue shouldn't even come up obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #149

I give her props for volunteering to help out at a school. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #152

Me too obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #159

hahahaha iverglas Jan 2012 #175

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I doubt very much she leaked it obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #154

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Sasha Grey is no longer a porn star obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #95

Yes but she is no longer a virgin Eliminator Jan 2012 #97

Plus she might enjoy sex zappaman Jan 2012 #100

lol obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #106

Sasha Grey isn;t a porn star anymore obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #103

how is endorsing the meat contest getdown Jan 2012 #87

just look at the sacrifices she is making iverglas Jan 2012 #104

yes getdown Jan 2012 #112

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where'd ya get that, Rush Limbaugh? getdown Jan 2012 #119

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well getdown Jan 2012 #147

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wait getdown Jan 2012 #153

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yes you must getdown Jan 2012 #160

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with all due respect your position on Ms. Grey dsc Jan 2012 #198

Whats different about lesbians? SaintPete Jan 2012 #20

some do , some don't. just like hetero women JI7 Jan 2012 #37

Cool tawadi Jan 2012 #8

think of the children! noiretextatique Jan 2012 #9

Ha ha, I thought the same thing! Initech Jan 2012 #21

It isn't just the "christofacists" who will lose their minds. Behind the Aegis Jan 2012 #208

I just served on a jury for a post in this thread iverglas Jan 2012 #22

Hey I was a juror on this thread too! zappaman Jan 2012 #30

Did the alerter give a comment what was wrong this this thread? William769 Jan 2012 #31

yes zappaman Jan 2012 #33

omg obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #34

the alert wasn't about news being discussed iverglas Jan 2012 #39

there were multiple juries for different alerts, one was for 'rating' looks, others for a beauty stockholmer Jan 2012 #120

I don't like the rating concept treestar Jan 2012 #235

Ah here we go... Eliminator Jan 2012 #40

yeah, there goes the mouthy humourless feminist iverglas Jan 2012 #44

sit down and shut up woman, dontcha know. let a man tell you what sexism is. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #47

so a woman who voluntarily competes in a beauty pageant zappaman Jan 2012 #57

my post was about a man telling us what sexism is and to STFU. seabeyond Jan 2012 #62

ok how's this? zappaman Jan 2012 #64

hysterical? so if i, a woman, address a post, i am hysterical? games. fuckin childish, immature seabeyond Jan 2012 #73

no, you're hysterical iverglas Jan 2012 #108

nope, sorry women, but you don't own that word. Men can be hysterical too. n/t zappaman Jan 2012 #118

never studied ancient Greek, did you? iverglas Jan 2012 #137

uh huh zappaman Jan 2012 #143

it would certainly explain the ear hair. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #146

nope, hysterical for putting words in other posters mouth. n/t zappaman Jan 2012 #115

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well, some people love to clutch those pearls. n/t zappaman Jan 2012 #70

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a woman can not say anything on the issue, without name calling to denigrate her? nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #76

well, when a poster makes things up and complain that posters are saying things zappaman Jan 2012 #85

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gosh, "hysterical", "pearls" iverglas Jan 2012 #110

yes it is. it is also sexist. lets see, stfu, hysterical, bent out of shape, freak out, seabeyond Jan 2012 #75

it's a discussion zappaman Jan 2012 #78

no pearls getdown Jan 2012 #84

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you bet your sweet ass they're here somewhere! n/t zappaman Jan 2012 #111

yes, a man told the woman wasnt sexist and to stfu... hysterical again? games again? nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #86

no one told anyone to STFU. zappaman Jan 2012 #90

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that's quite a piece of work iverglas Jan 2012 #231

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I am unaware of beauty pageants for cattle. zappaman Jan 2012 #253

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Beauty Pagents for Cattle Vanje Jan 2012 #292

because she chose to join in getdown Jan 2012 #96

More accurately mythology Jan 2012 #136

actually getdown Jan 2012 #142

no, actually, ... iverglas Jan 2012 #232

I wish her luck. Sexual orientation should not even enter into this contest. n/t RebelOne Jan 2012 #32

Self delete. William769 Jan 2012 #35

the thread wasn't alerted iverglas Jan 2012 #42

Thank you. Someone sent me a PM to explain what happened. William769 Jan 2012 #45

I'm sure women don't do it. At all. Eliminator Jan 2012 #46

excuse me iverglas Jan 2012 #52

have you ever seen a beauty pageant getdown Jan 2012 #99

of course we have zappaman Jan 2012 #105

no getdown Jan 2012 #114

please explain why is that not equivalent? zappaman Jan 2012 #121

take a stereotypical beauty pageant with all the trimmings getdown Jan 2012 #122

ok, how about this one? zappaman Jan 2012 #125

no getdown Jan 2012 #127

Sorry, you're wrong. zappaman Jan 2012 #128

in evening gown and high heels? getdown Jan 2012 #130

men don't wear those...women do. zappaman Jan 2012 #132

yes the point is laughable getdown Jan 2012 #138

that's cool. zappaman Jan 2012 #170

when you have time getdown Jan 2012 #171

Um she is going to be scored on her appearance (hence, beauty pageant) The Straight Story Jan 2012 #48

"If she did not want to be scored on how she looked" iverglas Jan 2012 #54

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha getdown Jan 2012 #101

Correct and sorry if my post created confusion zappaman Jan 2012 #58

damn iverglas Jan 2012 #65

Hey, I'm not a 9.5. zappaman Jan 2012 #67

She's very lovely. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #55

I'll give her a 10. She's incredibly hot, and I wish her luck. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #68

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holy shit getdown Jan 2012 #81

She works well with animals: struggle4progress Jan 2012 #117

an excellent thread with example how sexism is approved on du, namecalling allowed, out of control seabeyond Jan 2012 #123

I think that this is a good thing (open LGBT contestants in traditionally 'straight' events) stockholmer Jan 2012 #131

well, thank you man, for once again putting me in my place, a couple names and lecturing me on seabeyond Jan 2012 #134

Again, you must magically see words no one else does. zappaman Jan 2012 #140

What names did I use? This is getting to be a bit bewildering. I do not not even know stockholmer Jan 2012 #151

thanks for the solidarity iverglas Jan 2012 #139

+1 n/t zappaman Jan 2012 #141

Is someone doing that? getdown Jan 2012 #168

i am not a big fan of beauty pageants, but i think being openly gay and a beauty pageant La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2012 #204

yes, the discussion was so progressive, scoring the woman on her looks seabeyond Jan 2012 #205

167. you might read rep and my conversation. it was ACTUALLY a conversation about exactly this. seabeyond Jan 2012 #206

Its a very second wave way of being a feminist which is why I reject it in favor of third wave stevenleser Jan 2012 #229

aren't you wonderful iverglas Jan 2012 #245

Thanks for noticing. Too bad you aren't. stevenleser Jan 2012 #266

From the TOS: Eliminator Jan 2012 #209

i wanna hate on some wemmenz. dont take my fun away. whaaaaah. tough shit. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #210

Who is hating? Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #260

when you dehumanize a woman, that is hating. seabeyond Jan 2012 #262

No, it's not. See, you've decided to define what constitutes "dehumanization" Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #265

when you treat a PERSON like a thing, that is dehumanizing. and yes, that is hate. seabeyond Jan 2012 #269

And I never said you were the one who insulted her. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #273

To many people, constant objectification isn't "fun". redqueen Jan 2012 #221

So why the fuck is the woman that the OP is about not allowed to make up her own mind? Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #259

Some of us hope for meaningful discussions. Not ratings. redqueen Jan 2012 #274

You're having a meaningful discussion now, just with someone who doesn't agree with you. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #276

When you're accusing me of making this issue about me, redqueen Jan 2012 #282

Actually, the vast majority of people DON'T agree with you. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #287

Who said there was anything wrong with beauty? redqueen Jan 2012 #291

Again, where is hatred of women espoused in the OP, or any of the replies of admiration Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #296

actually there are TWO open lesbians running in the contest, btw stockholmer Jan 2012 #126

Yes, but one of them is pretty, and the other one isn't. Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #157

here is an in-depth interview with Jenelle Hutcherson (Donald Trump personally invited her to run) stockholmer Jan 2012 #173

She's my hairdresser! taught_me_patience Jan 2012 #218

I'm happy for her but have mixed feelings REP Jan 2012 #167

She's under no obligation as a woman...to speak out against one...ways women are judged and devalued seabeyond Jan 2012 #172

you said it getdown Jan 2012 #177

Did you read my post or just pick out phrases? REP Jan 2012 #181

actually, i got the delicateness of your post and hear what you are saying seabeyond Jan 2012 #182

No criticism of you meant either REP Jan 2012 #184

The fault may lie with me seabeyond Jan 2012 #186

We are used to women kissing their chains but shocked when true minorities do it REP Jan 2012 #187

i am glad she is the one to win, breaking that glass ceiling of norm seabeyond Jan 2012 #189

A minority, in the sociological sense (not the dominant group), is not a numerical concept. redqueen Jan 2012 #201

"It's just a little weird that a quest for equality on one front (sexuality) involves diminishing redqueen Jan 2012 #200

I think the same crap goes on in the lesbian community as in the straight community. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #240

" I don't see why an openly gay woman in a pageant would merit any raised eyebrows at all" redqueen Jan 2012 #275

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snork iverglas Jan 2012 #180

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what didn't take long iverglas Jan 2012 #188

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you have no scruples at all, do you? iverglas Jan 2012 #191

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Please don't put me in the 7 or 8 out of 10 brigade. zappaman Jan 2012 #195

Used to go bar hopping in Long beach. A tranny crew would come in. Bout twelve of them. WingDinger Jan 2012 #214

Deep. Thats real deep. Vanje Jan 2012 #193

The reason beauty pageants for women are regressive ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #196

+1. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #199

"Men aren't really oppressed for their gender, so beauty pageants for men don't really matter." redqueen Jan 2012 #203

Beauty pagents for women don't really matter either, in the grand scheme of things. Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #211

Objectification is dehumanization. redqueen Jan 2012 #222

Ok, I will. Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #233

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Consider them added to the list! Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #290

Violence. redqueen Jan 2012 #271

I freely admit that people getting upset about beauty pageants *is* a big joke to me. Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #285

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You don't even acknowledge that objectification exists. redqueen Jan 2012 #298

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none n/t zappaman Jan 2012 #301

If by "grand scheme of things," you mean beauty pageants for women ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #237

They may not help the cause of gender equality, but I don't think they hurt it in any meaningful way Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #238

I am a straight male, so I love looking at beautiful women, but that is not really the point. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #241

I think you're running up against human nature. Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #242

Perhaps, but I am encouraged by the progress that has been made over the generations. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #243

The problem being, of course, the definition of what exactly is "enlightenment". Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #247

Sure, all value is subjective. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #288

"I agree, that's sexist...and I don't care because I like it". seabeyond Jan 2012 #244

Context is everything. Read more closely, please. Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #246

ok, you are not bragging, it is the other men that say that, that is bragging seabeyond Jan 2012 #248

I don't know that "bragging" is the best word. I think "justifying" or "rationalizing" Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #249

i think it is bragging and about their entitlement wrapped up in them feeling like men seabeyond Jan 2012 #250

As I've pointed out, morals and ethics are essentially opinions. Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #280

pointless unwillingness to call it what it is. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #284

"racism and homophobia are much less acceptable in today's society than sexism" redqueen Jan 2012 #278

Valid question, but I don't think there's any question that it is the case. Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #279

It needs to be addressed. redqueen Jan 2012 #283

he wont answer cause then they gotta own it. so skirt away, around, under and over seabeyond Jan 2012 #286

Answer what, exactly? This thread is getting a bit convoluted. Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #294

I can't believe that was said. redqueen Jan 2012 #297

"being a sexist is FUN" zappaman Jan 2012 #299

It was paraphrasing what someone else said... redqueen Jan 2012 #302

Oh, paraphrasing...hence the use of quote marks. zappaman Jan 2012 #305

Because you're not paying attention? redqueen Jan 2012 #307

That's not the only thing that's fun. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #304

Ok. It's not acceptable and and inexcusable. Now what? Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #289

I propose that people stop pretending that it's all just harmless fun. redqueen Jan 2012 #295

Good luck, Mollie! n/t =D AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #207

After reading this thread over two days, I have some thoughts obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #215

Your #4 is right on the money. William769 Jan 2012 #216

I thought so obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #217

Yeah, too bad Eliminator Jan 2012 #219

+ a brazillion opiate69 Jan 2012 #236

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what i have a problem with is a thread that goes on to talk about women that dared to say anything, seabeyond Jan 2012 #220

Why would I rate Mollie? obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #223

why isnt the issue spelled out and what started it was the dehumanizing of this woman RATING her. seabeyond Jan 2012 #224

That is what my #4 was obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #225

that is why i posted to the op about the direction his OP went. unfortantely, all the blame seems seabeyond Jan 2012 #226

I never rated her. William769 Jan 2012 #227

i know you did not rate her. i didnt say that you did. i know your intent with the post seabeyond Jan 2012 #228

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so? who cares. you rate her like an animal. i am so very fuckin impressed. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #264

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check out the way people buy animals. no different. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #270

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who rates animals? zappaman Jan 2012 #268

Judges at dog and cat shows. nt justiceischeap Jan 2012 #277

true...my bad zappaman Jan 2012 #281

Can't get away from it. Look at Survivor, that's worse than rating. nt justiceischeap Jan 2012 #303

Sasha got introduced in this thread because of me (inadvertently) justiceischeap Jan 2012 #230

Cosign on your entire post obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #234

I went back up and read what prompted Sasha's appearance justiceischeap Jan 2012 #239

I am going to self delete the OP William769 Jan 2012 #306