Why Ron Paul attracts some liberals.

[TheKentuckian]

51. I don't see civil liberties as exactly the same as civil rights, though closely related.

Civil Rights are more about access to society, economic opportunity, and Civil Liberties which are the rights we have as individuals and this makes it more complicated than you let on, though it ends up being a distinction without a difference you must kinda drill down on it or you can't discuss this intelligently and it because a visceral and reactionary response that clearly isn't thoughtful and can be perceived as dishonesty.

Paul actually does believe in civil liberties within our present paradigm, he really probably doesn't want the Federal government to be monitoring our communications, or setting up virtual stip searches in transportation hubs, he is probably actually against the Federal government detaining or killing you without due process, he probably really doesn't want the Federal government dictating from on high what substances to put in your body,

All of that is actually true.

The story of why is were the rubber meets the road and where the problems come in because A) He is horrible on civil rights (access) regardless if he personally holds hate for minorities because he is philosophically opposed to protections and so his positions on Civil Liberties aren't helpful to a person of my background. He would remove the gurantees that would let me on to the highway and B) He is actually opposed to the Federal Government doing much of anything so it isn't that he is opposed to practices as such but just to who is doing them so if states, localities, and corporations wanted to do the same vile shit, it would be fine by him and he'd fight to make sure they had such freedom.

I think aside (or in conjunction with) from giving liberal answers to the concerns about Civil Liberties, imperialist wars, and the police state is to understand where he is coming from so that rather than assail his veracity (because he is telling the truth from a perspective) one can ask peeling ideological questions that would seperate him from his support.
Well framed questions are just more effective than attacks with this ideology if for no other reason it keeps the person from going on attack mode and shutting out reason.

I remain firm in my warning though that our party would be foolish, in the extreme, to allow the impression that only the extreme right has an answer to some of these issues and that only their path leads to the same positions.

If you think a viable long term strategy is to be pro-war, pro-drug war, and anti-civil liberties like the mainstream TeaPubliKlan party but be for a little more taxes then you are lost. Especially, if we are also broadly accepting conservative economics.

Democrats cannot continue to write bill eroding our rights, voting for wars, deporting unauthorized immigrants at a record pace, and busting medical pot.

Essentially, we cannot be liberal and also refuse to be a civil libertarian party as far as we can be and still protect the common good, which is pretty far.