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Celerity

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96. hard pass on Klobuchar (I do agree on Rice and Benghazi, I was amongst the first to bring that up)
Tue May 5, 2020, 02:59 PM
May 2020

Last edited Tue May 5, 2020, 10:45 PM - Edit history (1)

5 points on Klobuchar and why she is close to the worst of the top 11 or 12

1. She is the most problematic with PoC of the 11 or so frontrunners (she polled worse that Buttigieg did with A-A's and does not have a great legal background when it comes to race-related justice issues from her time as Hennepin County Attorney.) She also, at one point, she had voted for nearly 2/3rds of Trump's judicial nominees, some of them who were clearly unqualified.

2. She lacks the temperament, IMHO, based off her past interactions with staff and subordinates, which was on exhibit in the last several debates.

3. She would be the most antagonistic pick in regards to the left half (NOT just the far left Sanders people) of the party as she ran one of the most hostile-to-progressives primaries (only surpassed by Hickenlooper, Delaney, and Bloomberg IMHO.)

4. She adds little in terms of energising and attracting the under 45yo vote (she polled very poorly with them the entire primary campaign), which is a pre-existing issue with Biden himself. She is low on the charisma scale compared to others.

5. I think the entire 'she will bring the Midwest for sure' angle is overrated, as she did fairly poorly in Iowa (5th place), which is adjacent to Minnesota. I think she brings little to the table in terms of winning Florida (a massively crucial state) as well, the same for North Carolina, Georgia, Texas, Arizona, and Nevada (5th place). She only won 3% of the vote in SC, a heavily A-A primary.


Stacey Abrams (who does have some weaknesses I do admit) is the closest to a candidate who would help the most with almost all of those issues, but I would go with most all of the other top 10 or 11 over Klobuchar as well. Klobuchar has Kaine 2016 written all over her, with many of the same potential downsides. This is not the election to play 'let's ram in the most centrist VP pick of all the 11 or so favourites, and also the one with arguably the poorest strength amongst PoC and younger voters' games with.

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I think it's gonna be Susan Rice. [View all] Wanderlust988 May 2020 OP
I would be happy with her too. ProudMNDemocrat May 2020 #1
She would be good too! BigmanPigman May 2020 #2
She is wonderful! leftieNanner May 2020 #3
That's my hope too! Catamount May 2020 #4
I like her very much. boston bean May 2020 #5
I could get on-board with her big time... VarryOn May 2020 #6
Ms Rice would be an excellent choice... Wounded Bear May 2020 #7
I really want Warren but... Blue_playwright May 2020 #8
That's not true - Dem legislature can force Baker to appoint a Dem replacement for Warren nt Fiendish Thingy May 2020 #53
Thank you! I'm so tired of people trying to keep Elizabeth Warren down for their own selfish BComplex May 2020 #59
And the only hard data we currently have - 2 polls - shows she is first choice among Dem voters Fiendish Thingy May 2020 #74
Lovely idea but why do you think you know such a thing? Wishful thinking? lostnfound May 2020 #9
Would love that. Sharp mind, takes no prisoners. Alex4Martinez May 2020 #10
Not the best choice Sugarcoated May 2020 #11
The VP needs to hit the ground running day one. Ninga May 2020 #12
I don't think he will choose a black woman. tavernier May 2020 #13
Those Truck drivers voted for Trump the last time, what makes you think they'll switch now after uponit7771 May 2020 #14
Because I live in rural Indiana half of the year tavernier May 2020 #21
That's good to hear. I live in a similar area and I am not seeing anything but doubling down. Midnight Writer May 2020 #57
I think it HAS to be a Woman of color rufus dog May 2020 #38
Still the main objective is to get enough votes to beat trump. tavernier May 2020 #47
Biden is supposed to bring in the truck drivers RhodeIslandOne May 2020 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author tavernier May 2020 #97
Not those truck drivers. tavernier May 2020 #98
I'm still hoping it will be Amy, calguy May 2020 #15
We already had Tim Kain - Sen Klobuchar is Ninga May 2020 #17
You could well be right calguy May 2020 #26
That is not true...Klobuchar is a great speaker. Demsrule86 May 2020 #29
the way things are going, that requirement might be moot...more and more red states are CTyankee May 2020 #75
hard pass on Klobuchar (I do agree on Rice and Benghazi, I was amongst the first to bring that up) Celerity May 2020 #96
Well stated and Bettie May 2020 #110
Agreed. Amy has zero charisma. smirkymonkey May 2020 #107
And she'd fight like hell to bring justice and is great with words and super bright. Great choice. JudyM May 2020 #108
I hope so... Susan Rice is awesome! jimlup May 2020 #16
What swing state can she get? DURHAM D May 2020 #18
The South and Michigan AllyCat May 2020 #37
how about, like, all the ones south of the mason-dixon line. mopinko May 2020 #100
Susan Rice would be an excellent choice for Secretary of State. sop May 2020 #19
There's just no way Biden picks Rice. tritsofme May 2020 #20
Well said Dem4Life1102 May 2020 #25
I am still all in for Kamala. smirkymonkey May 2020 #22
There are better choices Dem4Life1102 May 2020 #24
No he doesn't. He needs to win in red and purple states...and Harris won't help. We could Demsrule86 May 2020 #30
Me too, but I think is due to one thing rufus dog May 2020 #39
Great idea, let's give Republicans an excuse to bring up bengazi again Dem4Life1102 May 2020 #23
The Republicans were never sharp enough to know ANY of the major languages of South Asia DFW May 2020 #60
Sorry Bengazi Dem4Life1102 May 2020 #72
That does seem more in context. n/t DFW May 2020 #73
they'll try but it won't work. Or they may not try even if they do their polling correctly and CTyankee May 2020 #76
Maybe Dem4Life1102 May 2020 #81
Two reasons: taking out a sitting Dem senator when we need all the votes we can get from the CTyankee May 2020 #83
I agree about not taking out a Senator Dem4Life1102 May 2020 #85
who do you have in mind? CTyankee May 2020 #86
Off the top of my head Dem4Life1102 May 2020 #88
I only know Abrams but she has held only state office. I'll look into the other two. CTyankee May 2020 #89
So? Dem4Life1102 May 2020 #90
Oh, I mean no disrespect. Mayors have a helluva tough job. I have a good deal of respect for CTyankee May 2020 #101
No way. That would be a disaster...it would be Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi all the time. Demsrule86 May 2020 #27
Must agree TheFarseer May 2020 #41
Pass... Grendam May 2020 #28
Sounds like a strong black woman in a white male world to me. HarlanPepper May 2020 #68
I hope so! KT2000 May 2020 #31
She is also not a Governor or a Senator. arthritisR_US May 2020 #32
My first choice! She's best suited to 2naSalit May 2020 #33
Once her name surfaced, Polly Hennessey May 2020 #34
I know many AA women hoping for her! AllyCat May 2020 #35
Great Choice. Kamala for JTOL May 2020 #36
No. That is a demotion. DURHAM D May 2020 #40
She's terrific, but two figures from the previous admin.? Nah. Warren or Harris. malchickiwick May 2020 #42
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I agree. WheelWalker May 2020 #44
I like her. Bring it on! nt ecstatic May 2020 #45
Key words: "knows her shit". Talitha May 2020 #46
Wow! BadgerMom May 2020 #48
I'm super pro-Elizabeth Warren, but would be thrilled with Susan Rice too! Greybnk48 May 2020 #49
No pattyloutwo May 2020 #50
LOl. I would love it, but I don't think there's enough guts to do it. They're too afraid of GusFring May 2020 #51
Can she energize youth? What we are desperately in need of. Laura PourMeADrink May 2020 #52
No offense, but sick of hearing about needing to energize the youth Wanderlust988 May 2020 #62
Take it back... energize people in general. Generate Laura PourMeADrink May 2020 #67
Sounds good to me! relayerbob May 2020 #54
Or if you wanted some real star power, he could offer it to Susan Sarandon Bucky May 2020 #55
Like her but not a chance grantcart May 2020 #56
That would by far make her the most effective vice presidential candidate, ever. tritsofme May 2020 #78
Smart, very well educated, well liked, savvy, hard working, known to Biden Thekaspervote May 2020 #58
Rice could definitely do the job. DFW May 2020 #61
Oh please let it be! Mike 03 May 2020 #63
She'd be excellent, but be prepared for non-stop Benghazi bullshit. hlthe2b May 2020 #64
and *this* is why I don't think essme May 2020 #65
It doesn't matter who it is, there will be nonstop bullshit from GOP. That's what they do. TryLogic May 2020 #102
Doubtful since she has never run for public office and doesn't have a built-in constituency wishstar May 2020 #66
Yeah, I think those would be some hurdles themaguffin May 2020 #69
Secretary of State kentuck May 2020 #70
if the Rethugs control the Senate after 2020, she will never even get a hearing for SoS, we will Celerity May 2020 #94
She's very competent. And it would be a HUGE missed opportunity, IMO. Happy Hoosier May 2020 #71
Rice would be an excellent choice! CrispyQ May 2020 #77
She would be a great choice! MoonRiver May 2020 #79
Very smart and qualified. I don't have any BootinUp May 2020 #80
She would be great! nt Kahuna May 2020 #82
I think it's gonna be Elizabeth Warren flamingdem May 2020 #84
No, she has a GOP governor first of all. Secondly, we need Senate seats in red and purple states, Demsrule86 May 2020 #103
I'd prefer Senator Kamala Harris, Sloumeau May 2020 #87
Kamala is my choice - she has charisma womanofthehills May 2020 #112
She would be great. bluescribbler May 2020 #91
She is my first pick Nictuku May 2020 #92
Not my choice... abakan May 2020 #93
No! Catherine Vincent May 2020 #99
If she is the nominee, I will vote for her happily! librechik May 2020 #104
My first choice is Warren, but Rice, I will love too. Miigwech May 2020 #105
And she already basically knows the job. And do we ever need someone who can put Amaryllis May 2020 #106
That would be my choice. TomSlick May 2020 #109
Welcome to DU. niyad May 2020 #111
Rice would be great disndat May 2020 #113
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