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LadyHawkAZ

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32. Because killing a celebrity creates a martyr

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:04 PM

Sep 2012

and he's still to hot to just disappear. Vanish him into a jail cell with a no communication order- which Sweden can do, btw- for a spell until he's not so much in people's minds, and then whisk him out of Sweden- which Sweden has done for the U.S. before, btw- and hide him away. Or just leave him locked up in Sweden, with a no-communication order and his reputation completely destroyed by a bogus sex charge. This neutralizes the enemy and serves as a warning to others.

Americans have been too influenced by Rambo. The best way to deal with an information leak by a public figure is not necessarily to kill the leaker. You have to destroy their credibility so that no one listens to the information they leaked, and make life hellish enough that others won't want to try it. Try looking up Daniel Ellsberg and what they tried to do with him.

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Julian Assange: Hunted by America's Violent Empire [View all] xchrom Sep 2012 OP

k/r marmar Sep 2012 #1

A little confused Did I Just Type This Sep 2012 #2

Sorry, but if you read that and that's all you got from the article... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #3

It's a metaphor. freedom fighter jh Sep 2012 #4

It is nothing like that treestar Sep 2012 #10

His fear is that Sweden will extradite him to the United States. freedom fighter jh Sep 2012 #13

then i guess we can compare it to men allowed to rape and progressive defenders seabeyond Sep 2012 #15

There is more than one issue with Assange. freedom fighter jh Sep 2012 #17

to suggest he does not have to face the rape charges cause he "fears" something beyond is not seabeyond Sep 2012 #18

There ARE no charges. There are only allegations. Two years later, now going on sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #46

The former would not exist except for the latter. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #21

The idea that he would not get a fair trial even in the US is beyond crazy treestar Sep 2012 #25

Yeah, let's look at that "no case" thing a moment, shall we? LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #28

The denial of facts is amazing. We had rabid elected officials calling for his sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #53

propaganda is a powerful tool LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #58

If they really said such a thing treestar Sep 2012 #90

Yes it does matter, a lot. When elected officials name someone as a 'terrorist' and many sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #102

It isn't an "if" LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #122

He's not a Muslim terrorist treestar Sep 2012 #89

"He's the wrong religion for that"??? LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #120

Do you know anything about this case? I think I asked you this question before sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #36

He would not be lynched in the United States either treestar Sep 2012 #24

Journalists are being lynched in the US? Really? Gotta link? struggle4progress Sep 2012 #141

Look at it this way... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #23

Sure sounded that way to me. When elected officials call for the assassination sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #37

Anyone who doubts the seriousness of the investigation against Assange... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #60

Yes, there is absolutely no doubt about this. The denial of reality is interesting. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #87

I don't see that at all. George II Sep 2012 #12

Study compare vs equate. Iggo Sep 2012 #5

nice Vattel Sep 2012 #135

kick. navarth Sep 2012 #6

if Assange was being hunted by a violent empire he would be dead. grantcart Sep 2012 #7

So that explains how he was able to live in England for two years hack89 Sep 2012 #8

It explains why he was living under arrest for two years reorg Sep 2012 #19

But how was he protected from the evil empire? hack89 Sep 2012 #20

You may still get your wish reorg Sep 2012 #27

I don't think the US wants anything to do with him hack89 Sep 2012 #29

You are free to think what you like, but what you think does not align with the sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #54

The "Espionage Act" reorg Sep 2012 #57

Interesting, I had read that it was a controversial law and should have been sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #59

And yet he lived unmolested for 2 years. hack89 Sep 2012 #61

Unmolested? reorg Sep 2012 #62

Isn't rendition extra-judicial? hack89 Sep 2012 #63

Are you talking to yourself? reorg Sep 2012 #66

Good to know "violent empires" obey the laws. hack89 Sep 2012 #69

Sure, they make the laws so they are useful for their purposes reorg Sep 2012 #71

How do you think this will all play out? hack89 Sep 2012 #72

If you call being arrested, kept in isolation for ten days, released only because of sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #77

The point was he was not extradited, did not undergo rendition or was "disappeared" hack89 Sep 2012 #79

You have been in nearly every thread on sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #85

So how do you think this will end? hack89 Sep 2012 #88

No the grand jury is about Manning treestar Sep 2012 #92

The Grand Jury is about Assange. Manning's case is past the GJ stage. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #96

Right. They have documents. How about, oh, I don't know...releasing them? randome Sep 2012 #104

How about you check for facts before you type? His attorneys in the US HAVE sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #108

Where are these documents? randome Sep 2012 #109

Lol, okay. If randome says it, ignore all the evidence, (he does), it must be true! sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #112

Ah, Sabrina 1, I am not against you. randome Sep 2012 #113

I think war criminals who blow people away for no reason and who torture and sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #117

We are, I suspect, in total agreement about war criminals. randome Sep 2012 #127

Sure you do! sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #129

Who wished that? treestar Sep 2012 #91

Because killing a celebrity creates a martyr LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #32

He is neutralized right now hack89 Sep 2012 #33

You're beginning to get the idea, LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #34

He can't run Wikileaks hack89 Sep 2012 #35

Sigh LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #39

They don't need to touch Assange to discourage further leakers. hack89 Sep 2012 #42

Anyone who realizes Manning's decision to mouth off LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #44

It helps to leave the option open reorg Sep 2012 #45

Assange is NOTHING like Ellsberg.... George II Sep 2012 #50

That's funny, Daniel Ellsberg seems to disagree with you. As you were informed downthread. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #52

What Ellsberg said is that the treatment Assange is getting... George II Sep 2012 #97

What Ellsberg said, in his own words: reorg Sep 2012 #111

According to whom? LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #55

Please re-read the comments made by Ellsberg...thanks. George II Sep 2012 #98

Please clarify your statement first LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #119

Here you are... George II Sep 2012 #131

Maybe you should have read the whole statement? LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #133

By making himself so public. And by constantly drawing attention to the sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #38

What demands for his murder? hack89 Sep 2012 #41

Rep. Peter King, Michael Huckabee, called for his assassination and/or sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #43

How dare they complain his sexual assault allegations treestar Sep 2012 #9

i am so disgustedly offended by this. hyperbole. how dare they compare the two. seabeyond Sep 2012 #11

So you don't like him, therefore he is a rapist. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #40

"Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm hunting wabbits." randome Sep 2012 #14

Well here you are again, and as always, your insightful comments sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #47

Huh??? George II Sep 2012 #16

+1 Chorophyll Sep 2012 #30

Martyrs generally do not choose to be martyrs. And I doubt sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #48

Comparing Assange to Daniel Ellsberg......... George II Sep 2012 #49

Really? How about we let Ellsberg speak for himself. Far be it from me sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #51

Clint Eastwood was admired by many. We let him speak for himself. randome Sep 2012 #64

So you put Ellsberg in the same class as Clint Eastwood? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #81

"Daniel Ellsberg is one of Wikileaks most prominent supporters. " NCTraveler Sep 2012 #74

Whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg: I Congratulate Ecuador for Standing Up to British Empire reorg Sep 2012 #76

'Ego, freak'. Mmm, and Ellsberg thinks he is a hero. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #78

I am not irrational or angry. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #101

I see the size of the egos of almost all public figures. It is almost a requirement to be in the sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #105

No. I am saying that his ego is so big... NCTraveler Sep 2012 #107

How ridiculous. Let me see, he wanted to be falsely accused of sexual assault so sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #110

What is he charged with in the US? NCTraveler Sep 2012 #114

you must have missed post #60 reorg Sep 2012 #116

When I post a comment, I say exactly what I intend to say. If something is not there in sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #118

I used your quotes. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #121

Then you will be able to link to the quote you conjured up this implication from: sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #123

Well you said "off with his head" NCTraveler Sep 2012 #149

No one other than he knows if that accusation is false or true. George II Sep 2012 #134

lol... ok, if you say so George II fascisthunter Sep 2012 #138

He is an editor and publisher of an International News Organization. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #140

"Assange has always been available to them" - which is why he's seeking asylum in Equador? George II Sep 2012 #144

What has that got to do with the fact that I stated? That is a totally separate sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #151

Ellsberg faced trial over the very thing he did treestar Sep 2012 #94

Wrong. The equivalent would be if Ellsberg = Assange. Which he does not. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #99

"The equivalent would be if Ellsberg = Assange. Which he does not." NCTraveler Sep 2012 #103

That is what I said. Did you read my comment at all? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #147

We completely agree and you still want to argue. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #150

"Assange = The New York Times" ~ Daniel Ellsberg ... sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #152

Assange... George II Sep 2012 #146

Links please. I know on the internet you can say anything you want although when sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #148

Links? I know it's only Wikipedia, but you confirmed what I said already... George II Sep 2012 #153

BINGO! Excellent post! George II Sep 2012 #145

And he won't be a martyr. He has people like Manning to cover that role for him. nt NCTraveler Sep 2012 #68

You have it correctly. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #80

I'm surprised you consider Manning to be a martyr reorg Sep 2012 #83

Can you explain that please? You do know that Manning is only one of possibly sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #82

You can't be serious. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #106

'Really no explanation needed after reading this' Um, yes, you were asked a pertinent sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #124

Wypijewski is using the comparison to illustrate prejudice reorg Sep 2012 #56

+1 treestar Sep 2012 #93

K&R n/t rachel1 Sep 2012 #22

Trash thread DevonRex Sep 2012 #26

I'll admit it's an interesting comparison. Robb Sep 2012 #31

Crap NCTraveler Sep 2012 #65

+1. thank you. exactly. nt seabeyond Sep 2012 #67

So we are back to simplistic slurs again reorg Sep 2012 #70

I think you replied to the wrong post. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #73

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #75

What slur? No clue what you are talking about. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #100

You have nothing to say reorg Sep 2012 #115

well done! fascisthunter Sep 2012 #137

So even if he goes to Ecudaor he's still vulnerable Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2012 #84

Nice to see that the same smearing liars are here on this thread... 99Forever Sep 2012 #86

People don't agree with you on a message board on the internet treestar Sep 2012 #95

People should agree on a Democratic board about basic human rights. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #125

no shame fascisthunter Sep 2012 #126

Any thread on Assange will be heavily targeted and propagandized. woo me with science Sep 2012 #128

Exactly. 99Forever Sep 2012 #130

So true, and perfectly explained. Zorra Sep 2012 #132

Let's readers of DU know government propagandists from the regular folks here fascisthunter Sep 2012 #136

Like the collusion between Wikileaks and Russia over the Moscow files? joshcryer Sep 2012 #139

Wypijewski's piece shows just how much analytical power the Left has lost, by abandoning struggle4progress Sep 2012 #142

Historical materialism tama Sep 2012 #143

America isn't a violent empire. Ridiculous. But there are lots of women in Ecuador for Julian. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #154

Glad you said that... George II Sep 2012 #155