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130. NDAA is a convenient tool to bash Obama with - it's the new FEMA Camp and Obama = Bush meme.

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 04:33 PM

Jan 2012

It provides the opening to sow dissension on the board and hopefully damage his election chances. Probably serves as a working lab for trying out the meme in advance of a 3rd party candidate that will inevitably be run to Obama's left.

They'd prefer Obama to symbolically veto a bill which would be summarily over-ridden and accomplish nothing - except create all kinds of election year opportunities for Republican RW smears and misinformation. This is such a big concern to these Obama critics - but go find a single thread where any one of them criticize Congress for delivering this legislation to him.

They want to change Obama and move him to the Left? Fine...focus the attention on getting an overwhelming majority of progressive Democrats and Independents elected to the House and Senate, then watch the transformation. Funny, though...all of these holier-than-thou Obama critics spend precious little time promoting that idea here.

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Three reasons to vote for Obama even though he signed NDAA [View all] ProSense Jan 2012 OP

Are you conceding that his signing of NDAA was wrong? comipinko Jan 2012 #1

No ProSense Jan 2012 #6

I read it as well, I, however am not satisfied. comipinko Jan 2012 #18

Do you at least concede Aerows Jan 2012 #78

I think the veto would make a difference Charlemagne Jan 2012 #102

Oh, I agree Aerows Jan 2012 #140

Indeed Charlemagne Jan 2012 #146

There are a million reasons for liberals to vote to re-elect President Obama. dawg Jan 2012 #2

1 2 and 3 sound more like excuses to me Autumn Jan 2012 #3

Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #7

Has there been anything Obama has done that you disagreed with? Serious question. n-t Logical Jan 2012 #4

This ProSense Jan 2012 #8

So I will take that to mean "No"! Thanks! Logical Jan 2012 #12

That's up to you. n/t ProSense Jan 2012 #14

given your moniker...the assumption seems silly Sheepshank Jan 2012 #118

Sometimes no answer is an answer. Read some political analysis. Logical Jan 2012 #131

And this isn't the situation where no answer is an answer, Sheepshank Jan 2012 #137

Not at all. He/She will not answer the question directly so I have to base my opinion.... Logical Jan 2012 #138

You can not answer that, honestly, can you??? comipinko Jan 2012 #19

Wait ProSense Jan 2012 #20

Seems you can not even answer a question. comipinko Jan 2012 #21

Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #22

LOL, you are almost as good at avoiding unpleasant questions as comipinko Jan 2012 #24

Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #29

I take that back, you are better at it. comipinko Jan 2012 #33

Holy shit, just answer the question. WilliamPitt Jan 2012 #40

No. ProSense Jan 2012 #42

A better question, still... MADem Jan 2012 #128

Still, here's ProSense Jan 2012 #44

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #51

You ProSense Jan 2012 #53

Then put her on ignore, Pitt. Robb Jan 2012 #56

What a low blow- Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #60

all it does is "cut and paste" comipinko Jan 2012 #70

"It"? Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #83

LOL !!! comipinko Jan 2012 #84

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #85

Would you kindly translate that bit of Latin? nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #86

ok comipinko Jan 2012 #89

Really? Is that what is says? I'd love to see your diagramming msanthrope Jan 2012 #93

Only high school latin. very rough. comipinko Jan 2012 #94

Romanes Eunt Domus, eh? And no, I welcome all new DUers who are pointed out to me. msanthrope Jan 2012 #97

from the house of rome? comipinko Jan 2012 #99

Yes. I hope you got the joke--it seemed in keeping with your level of aptitude. nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #100

Meus, es vos umquan plenus of vestri comipinko Jan 2012 #101

Your skills are declining. msanthrope Jan 2012 #104

I thought that one was better. comipinko Jan 2012 #105

So you are the person who decides "respected" DU members? Is that a mod role? Logical Jan 2012 #115

This is not true; Prosense has included arguments treestar Jan 2012 #108

Prosense gets special treatment here from the "progressives'. Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #129

In reading this thread... Spazito Jan 2012 #133

its called supportive info Sheepshank Jan 2012 #119

Why is it so incredibly difficult for you to answer this simple question? Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #47

Because ProSense Jan 2012 #49

I hate hypocrites. comipinko Jan 2012 #71

Are you or are you not a member of the Communist Party? Robb Jan 2012 #61

I'm not a member of the communist party and I'm not a witch.... Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #67

That question could easily be turned around treestar Jan 2012 #109

PS has a JOB to do. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #54

Evidently ProSense Jan 2012 #58

The irony of you saying that isn't lost on me. Robb Jan 2012 #62

It warms my heart that you would even notice... cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #63

You are trying to put this person on the spot so you can create ad hominem treestar Jan 2012 #121

I asked you earlier if you agreed with the NDAA Aerows Jan 2012 #141

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #66

Why does there have to be? treestar Jan 2012 #106

I think reality is a good trait. So the GOPers who 100% supported Bush made you proud of them? Logical Jan 2012 #110

No, but I thought they were wrong on most things. treestar Jan 2012 #112

Anyone who defends EVERYTHING Obama does is not a valid source of information.... Logical Jan 2012 #113

If you're tired of endless cheerleading for a Democrat treestar Jan 2012 #120

I agree that the Obama bashing is bad...... Logical Jan 2012 #132

And no one can start an Obama good post without some bashers treestar Jan 2012 #144

When you refuse to answer simple questions about your position on an argument Aerows Jan 2012 #143

No one has to answer this "simple question" which is purely ad hominem treestar Jan 2012 #145

And by refusing to answer it Aerows Jan 2012 #147

No one has the right to put someone else on the spot treestar Jan 2012 #148

Tyranny? Aerows Jan 2012 #149

It just reminds me of tyrants treestar Jan 2012 #151

another illogical statement Sheepshank Jan 2012 #125

Your post made no sense to me. I will read it later when I have time to decode it. Logical Jan 2012 #134

Uhhhh......2012 is long gone.....where have you been ??? lumpy Mar 2014 #156

He's a tool of the ruling class, but marginally better than a republican. immoderate Jan 2012 #5

I do not respect your tactics, so I do not care what your opinion is, in fact, it is Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #9

You ProSense Jan 2012 #10

Or provide feedback on them is an option that he used! Maybe a better one! Logical Jan 2012 #114

If I may Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #11

The onus ProSense Jan 2012 #13

The NDAA is reauthorized every year isn't it? NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #16

Didn't John Yoo invent/champion signing statements ghostwritten for Bush II? getdown Jan 2012 #117

Then you didn't worry about Bush's signing statements either? treestar Jan 2012 #122

If Bush, or any other president, operated outside the law Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #152

OK so you weren't outraged at Bush's either treestar Jan 2012 #153

I was as "outraged" as any ridiculous charade could make me. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #154

A couple of points frazzled Jan 2012 #15

This is ProSense Jan 2012 #17

NDAA is a convenient tool to bash Obama with - it's the new FEMA Camp and Obama = Bush meme. Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #130

Wouldn't a veto override involve The House as well? bro Jan 2012 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author comipinko Jan 2012 #25

Yes ProSense Jan 2012 #27

Of course your silly logic assumes that a POTUS veto would NOT change any DEM. votes. comipinko Jan 2012 #37

Hmmm? ProSense Jan 2012 #38

Would you kindly translate that Latin sentence you used? nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #87

. comipinko Jan 2012 #90

Declining 'oculi' was that difficult? But why not just use English? msanthrope Jan 2012 #95

as I said before, high school latin. 30 some years ago. comipinko Jan 2012 #96

Romanes Eunt Domus, eh? Welcome! I welcome all new Duers. nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #98

there is no "party leader" treestar Jan 2012 #123

We can admit that President Obama signed the NDAA? A Simple Game Jan 2012 #26

Actually, ProSense Jan 2012 #28

"Now, want to fill me in on why you are so focused on me? " WilliamPitt Jan 2012 #41

What? ProSense Jan 2012 #48

As I recall, the main question was WilliamPitt Jan 2012 #52

You ProSense Jan 2012 #57

I wonder Robb Jan 2012 #64

I will be WilliamPitt Jan 2012 #69

Don't PM me anymore ProSense Jan 2012 #91

If you are receiving bullying PMs Robb Jan 2012 #111

She doesn't have to answer it treestar Jan 2012 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2013 #155

I asked you an unrelated question because I was curious. A Simple Game Jan 2012 #82

I knew you would ask me a question. A Simple Game Jan 2012 #45

Hmmm? ProSense Jan 2012 #46

Hello, focus! A Simple Game Jan 2012 #50

It ProSense Jan 2012 #55

But I still don't know what to focus on without you telling me exactly what to do. A Simple Game Jan 2012 #81

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #74

I asked above, and wanted to make sure you see it. Would you translate the Latin msanthrope Jan 2012 #88

There's only ONE reason I'm voting for him. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #30

+1 Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #31

This says one thing: ProSense Jan 2012 #34

i have NEVER voted for a Republican. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #36

+ any one with a brain. comipinko Jan 2012 #35

I imagine we interpret not merely words, but deeds too... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #32

I'll give you a much better reason... SomethingFishy Jan 2012 #39

1. He's a Democrat. Iggo Jan 2012 #43

You mean the signing statements we hated when the GOP was in office?? Logical Jan 2012 #59

This is not the same, Obama is the president. comipinko Jan 2012 #77

I love that he was berated for not using him redqueen Jan 2012 #79

Had he veto'd the bill, they would have found some justification to bash him for that action, too. Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #135

Those aren't reasons to vote for Obama, those are rationalizations for his actions, MadHound Jan 2012 #65

I ProSense Jan 2012 #68

You hit it right on the head. comipinko Jan 2012 #76

4. The Devil made him do it! nt Romulox Jan 2012 #72

how bout these reasons: romney, santorum, paul, perry, supreme court etc. etc. etc. spanone Jan 2012 #73

Apparently for some DUers those aren't sufficient reasons. redqueen Jan 2012 #80

One reason to vote for Obama even though he signed the NDAA Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #75

the lack of opponents of the President to answer the points in your OP grantcart Jan 2012 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author comipinko Jan 2012 #103

Mainly because the NDAA does not mean what they claim it means treestar Jan 2012 #107

This is further proof that the presidency getdown Jan 2012 #116

so don't vote Dem then Sheepshank Jan 2012 #126

thats not at all getdown Jan 2012 #127

You're saying the system is futile Sheepshank Jan 2012 #136

what i mean is getdown Jan 2012 #139

You can be displeased with some of the actions of a particular politician Aerows Jan 2012 #150

Here's my response: right on maude... Jan 2012 #142