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48. A lot of the discussion is about the hazards of pesticides...

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:02 AM

Sep 2012

The other issue involves with 'non-organic' farming beyond the pesticides; which is the fertilizer.

There are trace elements in natural fertilizer that are not available in 'inorganic' fertilizer (nitrogen, potassium and phosphorus).

This is one of those instances where we should learn from history. That's why I mentioned niacin above. If you look at the history of niacin, people were getting sick eating perfectly healthy looking food, but the soil was not prepared properly.

If you look at all of the ailments that we have as a modern society (increased rates of autism, obesity, depression). It would be difficult to prove that they are as a result of our foods lacking in these trace nutrients, but the correlation is there; even though causation cannot be established.

The influence of the big chemical companies needs to be minimized so that we can know whether the research is valid, or just some bought and paid for bullshit.

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You remember that big anti-organic food study last week? Guess who funded it. [View all] MadHound Sep 2012 OP

"To say that conventional foods are safe is like saying that cigarettes are safe" Confusious Sep 2012 #1

Well, the main thrust of the story isn't about that quote, MadHound Sep 2012 #5

I just followed the link in your OP Confusious Sep 2012 #7

No, you didn't just follow the link in my OP MadHound Sep 2012 #11

I had another thought I wanted to add, so I added it. Confusious Sep 2012 #19

News reports I saw said the study showed that organic was "no more nutritious" than conventional MNBrewer Sep 2012 #25

That was my sense about it too when I saw it. AllyCat Sep 2012 #58

I've never heard that organic is more nutritious, to begin with. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #90

Actually after reading the original study, I think organic food is much better than I thought fasttense Sep 2012 #44

The organic vs chemically raised xxqqqzme Sep 2012 #56

However GM crops will kill you and modify your DNA Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #2

This is why studies should always be taken with a grain of salt gollygee Sep 2012 #3

Or more to the point, if you don't have the tools to assess the validity of the results Gormy Cuss Sep 2012 #12

a real scientific researcher does not have an agenda. Real research is to determine fact pasto76 Sep 2012 #24

wtf? our education realm has nothing to do with how corruptible our scientific establishment is, HiPointDem Sep 2012 #37

i beg to differ druidity33 Sep 2012 #41

The causality is from the money men on down; including the money men defunding government HiPointDem Sep 2012 #42

that doesn't sound like disagreement to me... druidity33 Sep 2012 #65

however, educators aren't *driving* that fucked-upness. they're reacting, and in many cases HiPointDem Sep 2012 #66

Unfortunately, students in colleges are now taught about the safety truedelphi Sep 2012 #64

No surprise at all. Dr. Ingram Olkin should be ashamed. n/t Avalux Sep 2012 #4

I don't think the debate is about "Nutrition" ThoughtCriminal Sep 2012 #6

No, it's not Confusious Sep 2012 #9

Organics are important for reasons beyond the health benefits. Blanks Sep 2012 #45

Of course, of course. theinquisitivechad Sep 2012 #8

Science is great. mathematic Sep 2012 #10

So did they take money from vested interests or did they not? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #15

They did not. mathematic Sep 2012 #20

I don't agree or disagree with you Confusious Sep 2012 #22

It was in the press release mathematic Sep 2012 #28

It's also on the report itself which was published in the Annals of Internal Medicine Iris Sep 2012 #86

'No external funding'. Do they accept funding from vested interests sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #23

Actually the organic trade association has been claiming organic foods are more nutritious for years Major Nikon Sep 2012 #72

Not at all surprising. There was plenty wrong with the "conclusions" to begin with. drokhole Sep 2012 #13

Thank you for that!!! As someone that has to watch their cholesterol, I am going to have to read jillan Sep 2012 #16

My pleasure! Pastured eggs, purchased directly from a local farm... drokhole Sep 2012 #27

Thanks once again :) jillan Sep 2012 #33

If you have problems with Cholestrol Confusious Sep 2012 #63

I remember that Mother Earth News article... Blanks Sep 2012 #47

Thank U very much, drokhole, for all the links truedelphi Sep 2012 #92

I was totally dumbfounded by that report! How could food without pesticides & in their original jillan Sep 2012 #14

Exactly. Who needs a study to know that food food without chemicals sprayed sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #17

I guess more people need to use common sense. Poison in your food, in your body = bad. That stupid Pisces Sep 2012 #18

No surprise laundry_queen Sep 2012 #21

I didn't believe it for a second. Cha Sep 2012 #26

Three points longship Sep 2012 #29

I think the reason people buy organic food is because they do not want to eat sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #36

If you don't want to eat chemicals cyborg_jim Sep 2012 #43

so DDT is just a chemical like everything else? KurtNYC Sep 2012 #49

Yes it is. cyborg_jim Sep 2012 #54

Carbon is not a chemical. It's an element. KurtNYC Sep 2012 #57

It's both cyborg_jim Sep 2012 #87

What's "chemical carbon" and why is it in our food? girl gone mad Sep 2012 #77

Well, not being a member of the affluent Middle class, I would not know about trends sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #59

It's not an insult cyborg_jim Sep 2012 #88

Nothing is going to make ANYTHING 'all good'. But some things do make things sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #91

But this is the point: your opinion does not trump science cyborg_jim Sep 2012 #94

Well then if all you say is true, just tell everyone what is in the food they are being sold sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #95

You seem to be injecting something into my opinion that isn't there cyborg_jim Sep 2012 #96

Yes, more flavorful. longship Sep 2012 #46

Isn't that tama Sep 2012 #69

Oh my gosh! burrowowl Sep 2012 #30

Study is not wrong or false. The press reporting about the conclusions is skewed. Blame the media.nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #31

Premise of the study was to attack the strawman: "Organic = more nutritional" KurtNYC Sep 2012 #51

Thank you for this moment of sanity. klook Sep 2012 #67

no shit. and the followup study: long term impact of pesticides in food. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #74

I'm not surprised in the least arikara Sep 2012 #32

Most studies don't receive that kind of media attention.. girl gone mad Sep 2012 #78

I never buy organic thinking it's more nutritious... Zookeeper Sep 2012 #34

The study is legit ..... this is not the first such study .... the brits did the same study already Botany Sep 2012 #35

Right. And was there some pressing misconception that needed to be corrected, there? Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #38

+1 Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #71

LOL arikara Sep 2012 #81

I could pump vitamin C into horse manure... KansDem Sep 2012 #39

Horse manure tama Sep 2012 #70

I just assumed pecwae Sep 2012 #40

A lot of the discussion is about the hazards of pesticides... Blanks Sep 2012 #48

Some of the associates were members of a separate foundation that recieved some money 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #50

It's all in the wording - "no more healthy" is not the same as "no more harmful". haele Sep 2012 #52

Stanford gets a C minus or D plus for this-- nightscanner59 Sep 2012 #53

I think we've come to expect crap like that is horseshit. nt valerief Sep 2012 #55

Anybody Know of Cancer-Related Studies of Inorganic vs Organic Food? triplepoint Sep 2012 #60

Well to be fair, the premise is true... Scootaloo Sep 2012 #61

how much did the corporate media get to repeat the lie over and over RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #62

I don't believe that they necessarily get paid for it arikara Sep 2012 #82

It was scarce research dollars wasted on reinventing the wheel Warpy Sep 2012 #68

It was only a matter of time that this came out matt819 Sep 2012 #73

k&r - thanks for posting this. nt bananas Sep 2012 #75

Although this story is about lies and being bought out, Curmudgeoness Sep 2012 #76

So, the most prestigious University in central Ca. can be bought, ... CRH Sep 2012 #79

The OP is a classic logical fallacy. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #80

Wow, that sure is some faulty logic there, MadHound Sep 2012 #83

I think that was Odin's point. Iris Sep 2012 #84

Let's not forget the Gates Foundation Cachet stumblnrose Sep 2012 #85

The hell you say. Can't say I'm surprised. I NEVER pay attention to articles that tell me... Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #89

Since this study was funded by the notorious Gates Foundation, among others, former9thward Sep 2012 #93