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101. "Canada can do it" is a simplistic

Sun May 10, 2020, 01:14 AM

May 2020

and altogether inaccurate reading of the situation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/04/17/are-canadas-2000-stimulus-payments-more-generous-than-the-united-states-1200-stimulus-checks/amp/

And sure, we CAN do it, but we won’t, and everyone involved knows this full well going in

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Sorry, but this "$2,000/month for everyone" is total crap [View all] Alhena May 2020 OP

Can I have yours? lame54 May 2020 #1

+1000000 jpak May 2020 #5

"As long as I get mine" is apparently all most care about Alhena May 2020 #6

Is that a yes? lame54 May 2020 #10

I think you misunderstand the point. Happy Hoosier May 2020 #15

This. EMERGENCY RELIEF doubling as STIMULUS distributed Hortensis May 2020 #115

I'm there myself Tink41 May 2020 #120

You're quite correct. Arthur_Frain May 2020 #79

It was part of pandemic plan Tink41 May 2020 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Jamastiene May 2020 #107

Confused? Tink41 May 2020 #119

Sorry. I was agreeing, but it ended up in the wrong place. Jamastiene May 2020 #130

No worries: NT Tink41 May 2020 #131

I agree it's the same as health insurance Tribetime May 2020 #104

Exactly. Jamastiene May 2020 #105

Thank You For Saying So. It's Total Bullsh*t. Indykatie May 2020 #2

What if someone making 110k per year wants to quit their job to take care of aging parent(s)? roamer65 May 2020 #3

Well for this to work, people's situation must be documented, need established. So costs to emmaverybo May 2020 #12

You're against a universal basic income??? PTWB May 2020 #24

Yes. emmaverybo May 2020 #68

You must not know much about UBI then. PTWB May 2020 #80

If UBI is such an obviously brilliant strategy, explain why it has no political traction. brooklynite May 2020 #122

Opposition to UBI is hardly outrageous Codeine May 2020 #134

Then many people will fall through the cracks Happy Hoosier May 2020 #26

+1000 Happy Hoosier. MH1 May 2020 #43

I did not say or Imply that. I think a program to assist those who need help can be developed and emmaverybo May 2020 #70

Any effective measure must had two characteristics. Happy Hoosier May 2020 #93

Good argument for those of us who have concerns. emmaverybo May 2020 #99

And The Chances It Will Get Through The Senate Are ZERO nt sfstaxprep May 2020 #4

Less than zero with Mitch the Con. Wall Street not Main Street. SammyWinstonJack May 2020 #35

The cost alone will stop it ripcord May 2020 #128

Means testing is bullshit. I'm fine if everyone gets it. WhiskeyGrinder May 2020 #7

If they're going by 2109 tax returns, AirmensMom May 2020 #8

If the person making $110 in 2019 is unemployed in 2020 Yavin4 May 2020 #58

I think AirmensMom May 2020 #71

The discussion is that they shouldn't be. Yavin4 May 2020 #81

+1 KentuckyWoman May 2020 #98

I'll consider it haz pay for MyNameGoesHere May 2020 #9

I support it if the person is unemployed. Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #11

What counts as "unemployed?" Happy Hoosier May 2020 #94

How about people that quit their jobs because they now make around $2000 per month ? MichMan May 2020 #137

OH! A WHOLE $2000/mo? Happy Hoosier May 2020 #139

By my quick math that 4 or 5 trillion a year madville May 2020 #13

Post removed Post removed May 2020 #18

So you're accusing Nancy Pelosi of selling snake oil?? Turin_C3PO May 2020 #31

Canada is doing this - we need to do it womanofthehills May 2020 #45

Yes they are. Wellstone ruled May 2020 #52

There is always money when corporations want it Bettie May 2020 #20

Or when it's time to go to war gratuitous May 2020 #27

Yes, that too Bettie May 2020 #30

Or when it's time to make lots more nukes womanofthehills May 2020 #125

We just dropped 3 trillion to save businesses. Happy Hoosier May 2020 #28

Let's just make it 10k a month then madville May 2020 #41

Are you going to TRY and understand at all? Happy Hoosier May 2020 #92

So at some point the political will is going to be there to take it away? MichMan May 2020 #112

There would also be offsets - money that won't have to be paid out in other ways. ooky May 2020 #56

4 or 5 trillion being added to the economy every year MissMillie May 2020 #116

What sort of fair system would you propose that determines who needs help? KY_EnviroGuy May 2020 #14

You raise a relevant point. The more restrictive it is the more people who really need it might fall totodeinhere May 2020 #64

Yes, and anyone like me that's known a number of people.... KY_EnviroGuy May 2020 #78

This will never get passed. Buckeyeblue May 2020 #16

I just get SS disability and have reasonable cost of living circumstances. I'd have to say I don't brewens May 2020 #17

I live off 12,000$ a year, I wouldn't turn it down Marrah_Goodman May 2020 #19

Same here I_UndergroundPanther May 2020 #126

Means testing will mean it's a welfare program. It should be for all or none. PSPS May 2020 #21

Howard Dean's campaign message was "Bill Gates deserves free health care..." brooklynite May 2020 #22

There are some sound economic reasons for healthy capitalism PufPuf23 May 2020 #23

what about me? qazplm135 May 2020 #25

It's to make sure everybody gets it. As it is now the repugs... brush May 2020 #29

So I am wondering if the OP is Chainfire May 2020 #32

Immaterial, as it is totally dead on arrival. Codeine May 2020 #33

So Canada can do it plus have free health care but USA....not so much womanofthehills May 2020 #75

"Canada can do it" is a simplistic Codeine May 2020 #101

"we CAN do it, but we won't" seems rather simplistic as well LanternWaste May 2020 #124

Any wealthy nation CAN do such a thing, Codeine May 2020 #132

Our CERB is taxable. And EllieBC May 2020 #102

Is it a bit too much for too many? Yep. Afromania May 2020 #34

It's about getting the most bang for your policy buck. meadowlander May 2020 #36

How about giving everyone the $2K and tax it back from high earners? Yavin4 May 2020 #47

No... it's not about individuals... Happy Hoosier May 2020 #95

I got screwed re: the $1200, so this pipe dream would be nice, especially jmg257 May 2020 #37

What happened? PTWB May 2020 #62

Made too much last year (just), even though I got furloughed. jmg257 May 2020 #69

You will be able to claim it on your 2020 taxes kelly1mm May 2020 #91

Ah thanks for that - will certainly do so! Cheers! Nt jmg257 May 2020 #114

Everybody has their OWN opinion i guess. bluestarone May 2020 #38

lol aidbo May 2020 #39

Would You Prefer a Prolonged, Severe Economic Depression? waterwatcher123 May 2020 #40

GOOD EXAMPLE of the logical fallacy known as False Dichotomy. Theres more than 2 options .. nt Kashkakat v.2.0 May 2020 #85

If we do not demand it will go to corporations/banks delisen May 2020 #42

Donate it then. LakeArenal May 2020 #44

+1. Exactly. LuckyCharms May 2020 #48

You could throw a hissy fit about it or simply tax the not needy next year and take it back. Yavin4 May 2020 #46

I am willing to.. mvd May 2020 #49

There is no way to separate, other by income level lettucebe May 2020 #50

This shows that you have absolutely no idea about what money is Blecht May 2020 #51

Kick and rec I_UndergroundPanther May 2020 #127

When President Obama did the payroll tax cut, I gave all the money to charity. Blue_true May 2020 #53

It can be easily taxed back from high income earners. n/t Yavin4 May 2020 #57

Means test on the back end. Help people now. SoonerPride May 2020 #54

+1 crickets May 2020 #55

Huh, sounds a lot like Socialism. HotTeaBag May 2020 #59

Pernie Danders never proposed a UBI. Andrew Yang did. SoonerPride May 2020 #60

It depnds on the reason for the payments. If they are designed to help needy people who are totodeinhere May 2020 #61

UBI is OK with me. aikoaiko May 2020 #63

Considering the crisis we're in, and realizing that most Americans live paycheck to paycheck stopbush May 2020 #65

There is literally not one single person who is properly educated about UBI that opposes it. PTWB May 2020 #66

Unemployment system has failed MoonlitKnight May 2020 #67

we would love it. We have a few small bills that would demtenjeep May 2020 #72

Don't worry, it will never pass. Our best shot at getting would have been in the first stimulus jalan48 May 2020 #73

de rec nt Celerity May 2020 #74

If we're all warriors ... GeorgeGist May 2020 #76

The point is that the money will be spent and pay for itself flamingdem May 2020 #77

And Another Thing!! Tink41 May 2020 #83

Take it down a few notches Sewa May 2020 #87

See Reply #82 Tink41 May 2020 #100

people who have enough money say things like this bigtree May 2020 #84

+1 EllieBC May 2020 #89

Billions to corporations and churches and no one complains that we can't afford it. Anything for Autumn May 2020 #86

THIS Jamastiene May 2020 #108

It's a STIMULUS plan SoCalDem May 2020 #88

Get back to us with equal concern over liberalhistorian May 2020 #90

You never hear "What about our children and grandchildren?" Jamastiene May 2020 #109

That'd be a few hundred more a month then what I get now. Kaleva May 2020 #96

Two things could happen BGBD May 2020 #97

We still haven't received our stimulus check, so all of this is hokey pokey to us. Baitball Blogger May 2020 #103

When Obama I_UndergroundPanther May 2020 #129

Way to cut your nose off to spsite your face. Jamastiene May 2020 #106

What is the evidential basis for saying that "half the rich don't even pay taxes"? brooklynite May 2020 #121

There are three proposals JustAnotherGen May 2020 #110

The time is right to enact the Farseer plan. TheFarseer May 2020 #111

Free college for ALL regardless of income BlueLucy May 2020 #113

This. A thousand times this. nt Codeine May 2020 #133

And this is why we will never fix the problem whistler162 May 2020 #117

There's a reason Yang was never more than a fringe presidential candidate Tarc May 2020 #118

The Ds who are proposing this are truly visionaries. They are looking at our stopbush May 2020 #123

These are extraordinary times RussBLib May 2020 #135

The people who are still working will never go for it then Calculating May 2020 #136

Especially those making that much now or a little more ? MichMan May 2020 #138