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Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
108. THIS
Sun May 10, 2020, 06:01 AM
May 2020

Don't forget bombs. Our government never complains about bombs costing too much.

They only ever complain about how much things cost when the middle class or poor might get something. When it is their rich buddies, most of whom do not pay taxes because they either roll it up in charities, corporations, or banks outside of the US, our government cannot wait to open the pocketbook full of our tax dollars to redistribute wealth to their 1%er buddies.

When it might help the middle class or poor, ALL OF A SUDDEN, it is a major problem. The US government has mismanaged our tax dollars for ages and created a massive debt. The US government is the stingiest government in the world when it comes to its own people.

The rest of the countries in the west have governments that use their tax dollars to give them healthcare without a racket of "health insurance" in between the people and healthcare. The rest of the counties in the west are supporting their citizens through a UBI through this pandemic. They just have that and don't have to worry about homelessness or dying of something because they cannot afford healthcare.

Yet, here in America, a bunch of stingy asses have bought into the Republican claptrap of "this costs too much. How will our grandchildren pay for this?"

Uhm, they won't, just like we aren't paying for it. They have been using that excuse long enough now that another generation is here and no one is paying for it still. Stop using that excuse to pull at people's heart strings about their grandkids.

The deficit/debt has been there for decades, at least, now and keeps growing under every Republican, even more under them than under Democrats, most of the time. No one will pay for it. "Our children and grandchildren" get thrown at us like in 50 years, they will each of a sudden get a trillion dollar bill in the mail.

We only ever hear that when someone suggests giving the middle class and poor some of our tax dollars back. We never hear it except when it might benefit the poor and middle class. If they give our tax dollars to corporations or the uber rich, no one says a word. *crickets* about the debt and the grandkids are never brought up. Our government knows how to play on people's emotions and people fall for it Every. Single. Time.

Decades of giving to corporations and the uber rich is what created the massive debt our government has in the first place.

"What about the children and grandchildren?" This has been going on long enough that we ARE the children and grandchildren now.

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Can I have yours? lame54 May 2020 #1
+1000000 jpak May 2020 #5
"As long as I get mine" is apparently all most care about Alhena May 2020 #6
Is that a yes? lame54 May 2020 #10
I think you misunderstand the point. Happy Hoosier May 2020 #15
This. EMERGENCY RELIEF doubling as STIMULUS distributed Hortensis May 2020 #115
I'm there myself Tink41 May 2020 #120
You're quite correct. Arthur_Frain May 2020 #79
It was part of pandemic plan Tink41 May 2020 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author Jamastiene May 2020 #107
Confused? Tink41 May 2020 #119
Sorry. I was agreeing, but it ended up in the wrong place. Jamastiene May 2020 #130
No worries: NT Tink41 May 2020 #131
I agree it's the same as health insurance Tribetime May 2020 #104
Exactly. Jamastiene May 2020 #105
Thank You For Saying So. It's Total Bullsh*t. Indykatie May 2020 #2
What if someone making 110k per year wants to quit their job to take care of aging parent(s)? roamer65 May 2020 #3
Well for this to work, people's situation must be documented, need established. So costs to emmaverybo May 2020 #12
You're against a universal basic income??? PTWB May 2020 #24
Yes. emmaverybo May 2020 #68
You must not know much about UBI then. PTWB May 2020 #80
If UBI is such an obviously brilliant strategy, explain why it has no political traction. brooklynite May 2020 #122
Opposition to UBI is hardly outrageous Codeine May 2020 #134
Then many people will fall through the cracks Happy Hoosier May 2020 #26
+1000 Happy Hoosier. MH1 May 2020 #43
I did not say or Imply that. I think a program to assist those who need help can be developed and emmaverybo May 2020 #70
Any effective measure must had two characteristics. Happy Hoosier May 2020 #93
Good argument for those of us who have concerns. emmaverybo May 2020 #99
And The Chances It Will Get Through The Senate Are ZERO nt sfstaxprep May 2020 #4
Less than zero with Mitch the Con. Wall Street not Main Street. SammyWinstonJack May 2020 #35
The cost alone will stop it ripcord May 2020 #128
Means testing is bullshit. I'm fine if everyone gets it. WhiskeyGrinder May 2020 #7
If they're going by 2109 tax returns, AirmensMom May 2020 #8
If the person making $110 in 2019 is unemployed in 2020 Yavin4 May 2020 #58
I think AirmensMom May 2020 #71
The discussion is that they shouldn't be. Yavin4 May 2020 #81
+1 KentuckyWoman May 2020 #98
I'll consider it haz pay for MyNameGoesHere May 2020 #9
I support it if the person is unemployed. Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #11
What counts as "unemployed?" Happy Hoosier May 2020 #94
How about people that quit their jobs because they now make around $2000 per month ? MichMan May 2020 #137
OH! A WHOLE $2000/mo? Happy Hoosier May 2020 #139
By my quick math that 4 or 5 trillion a year madville May 2020 #13
Post removed Post removed May 2020 #18
So you're accusing Nancy Pelosi of selling snake oil?? Turin_C3PO May 2020 #31
Canada is doing this - we need to do it womanofthehills May 2020 #45
Yes they are. Wellstone ruled May 2020 #52
There is always money when corporations want it Bettie May 2020 #20
Or when it's time to go to war gratuitous May 2020 #27
Yes, that too Bettie May 2020 #30
Or when it's time to make lots more nukes womanofthehills May 2020 #125
We just dropped 3 trillion to save businesses. Happy Hoosier May 2020 #28
Let's just make it 10k a month then madville May 2020 #41
Are you going to TRY and understand at all? Happy Hoosier May 2020 #92
So at some point the political will is going to be there to take it away? MichMan May 2020 #112
There would also be offsets - money that won't have to be paid out in other ways. ooky May 2020 #56
4 or 5 trillion being added to the economy every year MissMillie May 2020 #116
What sort of fair system would you propose that determines who needs help? KY_EnviroGuy May 2020 #14
You raise a relevant point. The more restrictive it is the more people who really need it might fall totodeinhere May 2020 #64
Yes, and anyone like me that's known a number of people.... KY_EnviroGuy May 2020 #78
This will never get passed. Buckeyeblue May 2020 #16
I just get SS disability and have reasonable cost of living circumstances. I'd have to say I don't brewens May 2020 #17
I live off 12,000$ a year, I wouldn't turn it down Marrah_Goodman May 2020 #19
Same here I_UndergroundPanther May 2020 #126
Means testing will mean it's a welfare program. It should be for all or none. PSPS May 2020 #21
Howard Dean's campaign message was "Bill Gates deserves free health care..." brooklynite May 2020 #22
There are some sound economic reasons for healthy capitalism PufPuf23 May 2020 #23
what about me? qazplm135 May 2020 #25
It's to make sure everybody gets it. As it is now the repugs... brush May 2020 #29
So I am wondering if the OP is Chainfire May 2020 #32
Immaterial, as it is totally dead on arrival. Codeine May 2020 #33
So Canada can do it plus have free health care but USA....not so much womanofthehills May 2020 #75
"Canada can do it" is a simplistic Codeine May 2020 #101
"we CAN do it, but we won't" seems rather simplistic as well LanternWaste May 2020 #124
Any wealthy nation CAN do such a thing, Codeine May 2020 #132
Our CERB is taxable. And EllieBC May 2020 #102
Is it a bit too much for too many? Yep. Afromania May 2020 #34
It's about getting the most bang for your policy buck. meadowlander May 2020 #36
How about giving everyone the $2K and tax it back from high earners? Yavin4 May 2020 #47
No... it's not about individuals... Happy Hoosier May 2020 #95
I got screwed re: the $1200, so this pipe dream would be nice, especially jmg257 May 2020 #37
What happened? PTWB May 2020 #62
Made too much last year (just), even though I got furloughed. jmg257 May 2020 #69
You will be able to claim it on your 2020 taxes kelly1mm May 2020 #91
Ah thanks for that - will certainly do so! Cheers! Nt jmg257 May 2020 #114
Everybody has their OWN opinion i guess. bluestarone May 2020 #38
lol aidbo May 2020 #39
Would You Prefer a Prolonged, Severe Economic Depression? waterwatcher123 May 2020 #40
GOOD EXAMPLE of the logical fallacy known as False Dichotomy. Theres more than 2 options .. nt Kashkakat v.2.0 May 2020 #85
If we do not demand it will go to corporations/banks delisen May 2020 #42
Donate it then. LakeArenal May 2020 #44
+1. Exactly. LuckyCharms May 2020 #48
You could throw a hissy fit about it or simply tax the not needy next year and take it back. Yavin4 May 2020 #46
I am willing to.. mvd May 2020 #49
There is no way to separate, other by income level lettucebe May 2020 #50
This shows that you have absolutely no idea about what money is Blecht May 2020 #51
Kick and rec I_UndergroundPanther May 2020 #127
When President Obama did the payroll tax cut, I gave all the money to charity. Blue_true May 2020 #53
It can be easily taxed back from high income earners. n/t Yavin4 May 2020 #57
Means test on the back end. Help people now. SoonerPride May 2020 #54
+1 crickets May 2020 #55
Huh, sounds a lot like Socialism. HotTeaBag May 2020 #59
Pernie Danders never proposed a UBI. Andrew Yang did. SoonerPride May 2020 #60
It depnds on the reason for the payments. If they are designed to help needy people who are totodeinhere May 2020 #61
UBI is OK with me. aikoaiko May 2020 #63
Considering the crisis we're in, and realizing that most Americans live paycheck to paycheck stopbush May 2020 #65
There is literally not one single person who is properly educated about UBI that opposes it. PTWB May 2020 #66
Unemployment system has failed MoonlitKnight May 2020 #67
we would love it. We have a few small bills that would demtenjeep May 2020 #72
Don't worry, it will never pass. Our best shot at getting would have been in the first stimulus jalan48 May 2020 #73
de rec nt Celerity May 2020 #74
If we're all warriors ... GeorgeGist May 2020 #76
The point is that the money will be spent and pay for itself flamingdem May 2020 #77
And Another Thing!! Tink41 May 2020 #83
Take it down a few notches Sewa May 2020 #87
See Reply #82 Tink41 May 2020 #100
people who have enough money say things like this bigtree May 2020 #84
+1 EllieBC May 2020 #89
Billions to corporations and churches and no one complains that we can't afford it. Anything for Autumn May 2020 #86
THIS Jamastiene May 2020 #108
It's a STIMULUS plan SoCalDem May 2020 #88
Get back to us with equal concern over liberalhistorian May 2020 #90
You never hear "What about our children and grandchildren?" Jamastiene May 2020 #109
That'd be a few hundred more a month then what I get now. Kaleva May 2020 #96
Two things could happen BGBD May 2020 #97
We still haven't received our stimulus check, so all of this is hokey pokey to us. Baitball Blogger May 2020 #103
When Obama I_UndergroundPanther May 2020 #129
Way to cut your nose off to spsite your face. Jamastiene May 2020 #106
What is the evidential basis for saying that "half the rich don't even pay taxes"? brooklynite May 2020 #121
There are three proposals JustAnotherGen May 2020 #110
The time is right to enact the Farseer plan. TheFarseer May 2020 #111
Free college for ALL regardless of income BlueLucy May 2020 #113
This. A thousand times this. nt Codeine May 2020 #133
And this is why we will never fix the problem whistler162 May 2020 #117
There's a reason Yang was never more than a fringe presidential candidate Tarc May 2020 #118
The Ds who are proposing this are truly visionaries. They are looking at our stopbush May 2020 #123
These are extraordinary times RussBLib May 2020 #135
The people who are still working will never go for it then Calculating May 2020 #136
Especially those making that much now or a little more ? MichMan May 2020 #138
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