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Celerity

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33. that's a flat out lie, pushed by RWNJ's here on white nationalist websites, distorted, and then run
Sun May 10, 2020, 02:01 PM
May 2020

with by sloppy journos outside of Sweden.

ANY nation that had areas where there were such massive systemic overruns of the healthcare system like Northern Italy or NYC did would be forced to start to do that sort of triaging. Our healthcare system was never overrun at that point.

The RW Independent in the UK (owned by the ex-KGB Russian oligarch Alexander Lebedev since 2010) picked up on a now month old Swedish newspaper's (Aftonbladet) report that was obtained a preliminary set of protocols issued by Karolinska Universitetssjukhuset (our biggest hospital system here) that ONLY applied in the event of systemic overrun.

from the Aftonbladet link

here is the document



It speaks about biological ages as well, not chronological.


For those with a biological age over 80, intensive care is to be chosen via triage guidelines in the event of severe shortages. The same applies to people over 70 who have significant failure in 2 or more organ systems. Persons between 60 and 70 who have already failed in 3 or more organ systems should also be assessed based off the situation.



Applies only when there is an absolute lack of space

Björn Eriksson, Director of Health in Stockholm Region, writes in an e-mail to Aftonbladet that the assessment should only be made when there is an absolute lack of places, which it is not yet.

- The number of patients in need of intensive care has increased, but also the number of places. Today we have over 300 intensive care places and on the Thursday morning, 79 of them were vacant. Thus, there has not been reason to make generally the tough priorities that the National Board of Health's guidelines should guide.

Footnote: In an earlier version of the article, it was incorrectly stated to apply to people between 60-70 who have a failure in a maximum of two organs. It is addressed to people who have failed in more than two organ systems.




You really need to self-delete this reply as it is pure disinformation.

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