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In reply to the discussion: Conspiracy to incite riot vs free speech [View all]BarackTheVote
(938 posts)25. Who would be in trouble in this situation?
Someone walks into a biker bar. Moises up to the honky tonk microphone and starts calling all of the bikers bad words. He doesn't touch or physically assault anyone, or even dare anyone to shut him up. Nevertheless, the bikers start mumbling amongst themselves, becoming more and more enraged, until one guy has finally taken enough insults and rallies the bar to beat the ever-loving blue-eyed shit out of this guy. Who would the law find at fault? Who would face prosecution?
I think you could much more easily nail these filmmakers on obscenity charges. In Miller vs. California, the SCOTUS defined obscenity as:
The basic guidelines for the trier of fact must be: (a) whether 'the average person, applying contemporary community standards would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest, (b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and (c) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_obscenity_law)
So, (a), given that this movie was specifically made as hate speech (the filmmaker called Islam a "cancer," and lied to his cast and crew about his intentions (even going so far in his subterfuge as to dub offensive lines over what was said on-set), implying that he knew he was doing something distasteful that these people would not go along with... prurient (though usually applied to acts of a sexual nature) is defined as "marked by or arousing an immoderate or unwholesome interest or desire [...]"; could not inspiring racial hatred and using speech that you know will cause riots a world away apply?
(b) this one, I don't know if could be met... however, this film does portray a respected religious figure as blatantly sexually degenerate. Personally, I think consideration (a) and (c) should take precedent over this, especially considering our shifting social mores.
(c) clearly, the video was slap-dash with no interest in creating a work of art--their only interest was apparently in producing something offensive as quickly as possible.
Whatever the case, Bacile will not escape unscathed; his cast and crew are already suing him for misrepresentation and I think there will be some serious investigations as to where the money went... After all, The Asylum produces B-grade schlock for between $250,000 and $500,000... this movie was rumored to cost FIVE MILLION DOLLARS (though last night I saw a more conservative estimate of $600,000... whatever number is right, however, it's far too high for what appears on-screen).
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In the right circles the video is like yelling "Fire!" in a theater. We need to remember
snappyturtle
Sep 2012
#6
No the fuck it isn't by any honest stretch of the imagination, there is no reasonable threat to life
TheKentuckian
Sep 2012
#79
The US already does enough to incite hatred of Americans without Al Qaeda saying anything.
L0oniX
Sep 2012
#23
But if the religious leader is in another country you should be sent over there to face their wrath
Zalatix
Sep 2012
#26
AND if you try to defend free speech and 1A, you are obviously an Islamaphobe bigot
riderinthestorm
Sep 2012
#61
Well one person called me an Islamophobe. I forwarded the post to my buddies. We rioted.
Zalatix
Sep 2012
#68
Good grief what if they decide our pro-choice policies are blasphemous and incites riots?
dkf
Sep 2012
#13
The guy whio made it said "Islam is a cancer". That's similar to the Nazi's eliminationist rhetoric.
CJCRANE
Sep 2012
#30
Al Qaeda propaganda certainly isn't worth the drone strikes we send out in response.
Zalatix
Sep 2012
#28
I have to wonder if "Bacile" had permission from his parole officer to use a computer.
MADem
Sep 2012
#33
Forget "conspiracy"--you haven't defined the primary crime they are meant to have
Romulox
Sep 2012
#39
I would like to see some federal court decisions that back up your interpretations.
former9thward
Sep 2012
#45
In 1977 the Nazis decided to march in Skokie which is a Jewish suburb of Chicago.
former9thward
Sep 2012
#58
Its the kind of question for law school exams...depends heavily on the situation.
ProgressiveProfessor
Sep 2012
#56