"I never met a veteran who fought for socialism". Comebacks, please?

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92. Yeah

Not all who claim to be anti-statists are so because they just want to exploit social capital for privatized capital. In fact, none of those are ever real anti-statists, those types always want to maintain at least a minimal night watchman state to enforce the exploitation of social and natural capital by privatized capital.

As for socialism and anti-statism, the pro-government shift that we see in this discussion is historically interesting. Remember that during First International and long time after, socialists were also anti-statists just like anarchists, socialists just believed that it was good idea for proletariat to take over states before moving into the anti-state state of communism/anarchy. Socialist statism was never supposed to be the end product, just interlude. The shift into socialist statism started gradually both with stalinism and social democratic reformism becoming more and more corrupted by the system it tried to change from inside.