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20. Sounds like you acknowledge that "protectionism was a Republican thing". FDR would have agreed.

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:01 PM

Sep 2012

Your poll shows only 91% of Democrats support a "strong Buy America programs for public works". That is support for a program that applies to public works funded by the government. The article does not claim that this support applies to everything that everyone buys. That it must mean that is the Zalatix' interpretation.

"And what's worse for your argument is that it's spreading to other nations."

At least in France (the subject of your OP) that opposition to globalization has been led by the far-right, National Front party. Given that 80% of French now agree you can safely say that that view of globalization has spread to other parts of French politics. In the French election this year the National Front and Sarkozy's conservative party were the ones campaigning for more protectionism. The Socialist party did not and it won the election.

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France: Yet another nation turns against globalism: 80% see it as a job-killer [View all] Zalatix Sep 2012 OP

the world is waking up to this bullshit. JRLeft Sep 2012 #1

And it's about damned time Populist_Prole Sep 2012 #3

Buy locally and produce locally jsr Sep 2012 #2

Excellent! dreamnightwind Sep 2012 #4

It's very high, and the Democratic Party and liberals are making a huge mistake JDPriestly Sep 2012 #5

Interesting post dreamnightwind Sep 2012 #9

Here's a great graph of the causes of the budget deficit. pampango Sep 2012 #14

You left out the TRADE DEFICIT as a contributor to the budget deficit. PBS link: Zalatix Sep 2012 #19

Yes it is "by a slightly circuitous route." OTOH, the Bush contributions to the deficit are not pampango Sep 2012 #34

Circuitous or not, it is still a contributor. Zalatix Sep 2012 #35

A contributor, but a tiny one (hardly an earthquake) compared to the Bush legacy (which has caused pampango Sep 2012 #40

Eliminate the domestic budget entirely and the trade deficit will still drag us down. Zalatix Sep 2012 #41

Before someone we all know shows up with that inaccurate Pew poll, allow me to pre-empt: Zalatix Sep 2012 #11

Too late. BTW that "inaccurate" poll shows opposition to globalization growing to 68% by 2012 if pampango Sep 2012 #16

Who here doesn't see through your tactics here? Zalatix Sep 2012 #17

Sounds like you acknowledge that "protectionism was a Republican thing". FDR would have agreed. pampango Sep 2012 #20

Protectionism WAS a Republican thing. Just like abolishing slavery WAS a Republican thing. Zalatix Sep 2012 #22

FDR did't fight higher tariffs because it was a republican thing, but because it was a BAD thing. pampango Sep 2012 #33

Let's be straight: Support for "Buy American" means support for TARIFFS. Zalatix Sep 2012 #37

No it does not. It means that local/state/federal governments would have to buy from American pampango Sep 2012 #42

Yes it does. Stop being myopic. Protectionism began among the workers, not the FAR RIGHT. Zalatix Sep 2012 #45

No. Protectionism was rejected by workers and progressives repeatedly in our history. pampango Sep 2012 #46

Protectionism rejected by workers? Now you're just engaging in wishful thinking. Zalatix Sep 2012 #49

It was rejected by workers 100 years ago, again during FDR's administration and today pampango Sep 2012 #50

Workers rejected protectionism 100 years ago? LOL! Whatever you need to say to comfort yourself. Zalatix Sep 2012 #53

"Again, tariffs protect the working class." And yet it is only republicans who have ever promoted pampango Sep 2012 #60

You keep retreating back to that Republican thing. Zalatix Sep 2012 #63

"Republicans support tariffs, ergo tariffs are bad". No. republicans support tariffs because pampango Sep 2012 #66

Still retreating to that Republican argument. You still can't accept the opposition is BIPARTISAN. Zalatix Sep 2012 #68

I am glad that you are finding common ground with - let's call it the non-corporate wing pampango Sep 2012 #71

The working class is UNITING against foreign outsourcing. Zalatix Sep 2012 #74

The poster from CATO has now devolved into calling *everyone else* a "Republican". Romulox Sep 2012 #81

32% in 2009, 44% in 2010 - at that rate of increase it would be 68% by now. pampango Sep 2012 #13

Sorry, I already pre-empted your tired, off-the-mark poll with a REAL poll. Zalatix Sep 2012 #18

Tea Party Repubs are rubes, and we all know it. The REAL money men at CATO agree with you 100% Romulox Sep 2012 #21

Ohhhhhhhh, STING. Zalatix Sep 2012 #23

Oh, and I forgot... *crickets* *crickets* Zalatix Sep 2012 #28

The 'strange bedfellows' argument, always a favorite. We all have them. Anything on this page pampango Sep 2012 #39

Still pushing that "workers opposed Protectionism" canard, I see. Zalatix Sep 2012 #59

Still not disputing the historical basis that I provided for the statement, I see. n/t pampango Sep 2012 #61

I'm saying the "historical basis" you claim is a load of <censored> Zalatix Sep 2012 #65

History is <censored> and irrelevant. Sure can't argue with that logic. pampango Sep 2012 #67

Your interpretation of history is laughably wrong. Zalatix Sep 2012 #69

Why is is laughably wrong? I need specifics (facts) not fancy slogans and assertions. pampango Sep 2012 #72

We're getting tired of your Cato Institute talking points. Zalatix Sep 2012 #77

You contention that "free trade" hasn't decimated the US working class. Let's start there. nt Romulox Sep 2012 #79

You are not a "progressive". There is nothing "progressive" about you. Advocating for the powerful Romulox Sep 2012 #80

"Strange bedfellows" means you agree on one area, while DISAGREEING on most others. Romulox Sep 2012 #78

If so many Democrats support offshoring then why is Obama attacking Romney for OFFSHORING??? Zalatix Sep 2012 #24

Unfortunately for us, we don't have certain advantages they have in France. truedelphi Sep 2012 #6

Meanwhile, the effort to discredit the new President has taken a familiar turn,... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #7

I'd count that as a fault. Zalatix Sep 2012 #8

They accuse everyone they don't like of SEX! It's getting old, people like sex and they sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #12

What they consider a "smear" just makes them look like prudes. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #15

Globalization is a job killer. JRLeft Sep 2012 #10

That's how they fool us tama Sep 2012 #26

I'm supporter of globalism tama Sep 2012 #25

Which would mean those rioting crazies in Libya could move right next door to you. Zalatix Sep 2012 #27

I'm not afraid tama Sep 2012 #29

Your refusal to accept the basic facts would get many of the rest of us killed if you had any power. Zalatix Sep 2012 #30

I don't want power tama Sep 2012 #31

What you want is for Middle Eastern voters to have a say about your reproductive rights. Zalatix Sep 2012 #32

Now you know tama Sep 2012 #36

It is the inescapable consequence of your "borderless world". Zalatix Sep 2012 #38

Just like on the European continent, the people have no rights? pampango Sep 2012 #52

Europe doesn't have open borders with the Middle East. Please keep up. We're talking about Zalatix Sep 2012 #54

Of course not, but they have open borders with many more countries than we do (0). pampango Sep 2012 #62

Other nations will not open their borders to each other. You're just wishfully thinking AGAIN. Zalatix Sep 2012 #64

The Netherlands opened it border with Germany and yet it still exists today. pampango Sep 2012 #70

I am opposed to the idea of opening our borders. For THEIR sake. Zalatix Sep 2012 #73

Since you support free trade, perhaps you support this? Zalatix Sep 2012 #85

Whoa. Xenophobic much? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #44

Whoa. Hate American workers and American freedoms much? Zalatix Sep 2012 #48

I love my American-made cars. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #57

But you don't like American freedoms. Zalatix Sep 2012 #58

If I bought a Honda, I'd be DAMN sure it wasn't made in Alabammy! Romulox Sep 2012 #84

Wow. France is quitting the EU? That ultimate free trade, no tariffs, region? Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #43

Only the far-right National Front wants France to get out of the EU. Fortunately, they lost pampango Sep 2012 #47

Read a newspaper, for the love of god. The EU is currently in an existential crisis. Romulox Sep 2012 #82

It should be completely obvious to any reasonable person that globalism is a late stage terminal Zorra Sep 2012 #51

So the EU should be abolished? Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #55

Those should be decisions made by the citizens of those nations. I don't live there. nt Zorra Sep 2012 #75

Greece, Ireland, Spain, and others struggle to remain in the union. PLEASE inform yourself Romulox Sep 2012 #83

Globalism is for RegieRocker Sep 2012 #56

No Shit. We have the worlds greatest consumer market but out leaders sell us out like we brewens Sep 2012 #76