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SunSeeker

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3. 50% of Swedes live alone, the highest percentage of any country.
Sun May 17, 2020, 09:03 AM
May 2020

Sweden has a socially distancing culture, just naturally. Plus huge amounts of Swedes already work from home. And with excellent health care, they are healthier than Ameticans. So if we had done no lockdowns like what the Swedes did, we would have an even higher death rate than Sweden. The US death rate is 275 per 1 MIllion population. Our death rate is 20% lower than Sweden's right now. That is not insignificant. If we had not shut down, I am sure it would have been much higher than Sweden's. Our shutdown saved lives, it just got started a little late. The US could've prevented 90% of our deaths by shutting down two weeks earlier. https://futurism.com/scientists-prevented-deaths-shutting-down-earlier As we open up, we could easily surpass Sweden's death rate, if we don't do mass testing and contact tracing.

Alas, Trump wasted our lockdown time by failing to gear up testing and contact tracing. Now we will open up without those safeguards and Covid-19 will spread like wildfire in the US. So we'll have the worst of both worlds: a ruined economy and a massive death toll. South Korea was able to avoid both. Their early mass testing and contact tracing avoided the need for any lockdowns. They were able to quarantine just the infected. Their restaurants and factories stayed open. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/26/821688981/how-south-korea-reigned-in-the-outbreak-without-shutting-everything-down South Korea has lost only 262 people. That's a death rate of just 5.1 per 1 Million population. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

Granted our population is 6.5 times South Korea's, but if we had done what South Korea did, our death total today would be 6.5×262=1,703, instead of 90,000. And our economy wouldnt be in tatters.

Well, We Still Did Something Wrong ProfessorGAC May 2020 #1
I agree with you but the you could also argue another angle genxlib May 2020 #2
I Agree With Both Of You ProfessorGAC May 2020 #11
Just as in compound interest, early adjustments make large differences at the end. Hermit-The-Prog May 2020 #20
50% of Swedes live alone, the highest percentage of any country. SunSeeker May 2020 #3
39.2 percent of all households (and 17.8 percent of all people) here live alone Celerity May 2020 #18
I think the point is whether you "shut down" or not, Solomon May 2020 #4
We should do what South Korea did, not what Sweden did. SunSeeker May 2020 #5
THANK YOU !!! uponit7771 May 2020 #7
I think it's too early to draw that conclusion democrattotheend May 2020 #6
No, we can TTQ till a vaccine is made it will cost us little in time or money uponit7771 May 2020 #8
What's TTQ? democrattotheend May 2020 #9
Testing/Tracing/Quarintine like SK and 40 other nations have done that are out of the uponit7771 May 2020 #13
I'm surprised it hasn't been worse in Sweden DrToast May 2020 #10
Sweden was already socially distancing before the pandemic. SunSeeker May 2020 #15
You talk like there is no way to slow the spread through testing and contact tracing. SunSeeker May 2020 #14
Don't be so sure TheFarseer May 2020 #12
I've been positively disposed to a rational "get it over with" approach. LAS14 May 2020 #16
If we had the same death rate as South Korea, we'd only have 1,703 dead. SunSeeker May 2020 #19
We seem to be incapable of getting TheFarseer May 2020 #24
Trump won't invoke the Defense Production Act to mass produce tests. SunSeeker May 2020 #25
we may soon have a border dispute crisis, as the 3 main Scandinavian nations (us, Norway, Denmark) Celerity May 2020 #17
Denmark is sensible, even if their language is impossible, LOL. SunSeeker May 2020 #21
well, it cuts both ways in Denmark, not sure how many on this board like this: Celerity May 2020 #22
There is plenty of evidence masks work. SunSeeker May 2020 #23
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