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patrice

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4. I have been around our Occupy from the beginning and have never heard anyone propose that.

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:02 PM

Sep 2012

What they do talk about is the definition of Real Value as it was defined by Adam Smith in his classic of Conservative American economics titled The Wealth of Nations in which he says that the only REAL Value is work/labor and that ALL other values are derived from that. Our Occupy's vision was about no longer accepting ambiguous privately controlled arbitrary value for their work, no longer accepting the derived false value of money-as-debt as compensation for the real value of work. Their vision talk almost always consisted of real value/work in exchange for real value/work, or as close to that as possible. They wanted authentic economies in which people didn't use debt to create value in their lives.

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Occupy Wall Street and the Personal Debt Crisis [View all] Time for change Sep 2012 OP

So... greytdemocrat Sep 2012 #1

I have been around our Occupy from the beginning and have never heard anyone propose that. patrice Sep 2012 #4

Now tama Sep 2012 #9

Do you mean student loan forgiveness? patrice Sep 2012 #25

It's an open discussion tama Sep 2012 #28

Your goal is my hope too and, being older, I believe that should happen in a step-wise FOREVER patrice Sep 2012 #30

Ah, Freire! tama Sep 2012 #40

Or, do you mean Occupy Our Homes? patrice Sep 2012 #27

Hmm tama Sep 2012 #29

Goodness! Something else that I have been saying for a while, TTE, "Our culture isn't patrice Sep 2012 #31

One of my favourite maxims: tama Sep 2012 #42

Were you in NYC, Zuccoti Park, Chicago? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #34

So... me b zola Sep 2012 #5

Yes I did. greytdemocrat Sep 2012 #7

Save you anger tama Sep 2012 #10

+infinity antiquie Sep 2012 #20

Thank you. woo me with science Sep 2012 #22

That is what happens. These extrapolated entities create/define the promises, break them at will & patrice Sep 2012 #32

I couldn't agree with you more! Raksha Sep 2012 #43

Wow! So students are a bunch of scum now on DU?? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #35

This is funny MFrohike Sep 2012 #47

Ah, so you are intentionally misrepresenting the article. me b zola Sep 2012 #48

Nice Teabagger talking points. girl gone mad Sep 2012 #57

It's not that simple Time for change Sep 2012 #6

Would you like someone to help you understand what this is all about, and what OWS sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #45

I prefer Upton Sinclair's explanation for the seemingly "lost" behavior... backscatter712 Sep 2012 #55

Lol, so true! n/t sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #56

Concern noted, troll. n/t backscatter712 Sep 2012 #50

I am pleased to say that this has been my instinct. Ever since the Derivative Crash & listening to patrice Sep 2012 #2

Do you find people are interested? DemReadingDU Sep 2012 #11

I look for the right social situations and even the most slightly appropriate verbal cues. patrice Sep 2012 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #3

Thank you for this post. nm rhett o rick Sep 2012 #8

Occupy Wall Street 2.0: The Debt Resistors� Operations Manual DemReadingDU Sep 2012 #12

Nice addition to the conversation PuraVidaDreamin Sep 2012 #18

Interesting Time for change Sep 2012 #21

Excellent post, thank you! sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #36

Awesome! Thanks for the link! n/t backscatter712 Sep 2012 #49

What Occupy should be aiming at is the financial dismantling of the law enforcement system Zalatix Sep 2012 #13

I can't believe... greytdemocrat Sep 2012 #14

Then you most certainly won't believe this! Zalatix Sep 2012 #17

Neither can I. I just read in this thread, eg, that students are a bunch of scum. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #38

Amen. Why the fuck are these "progressives" tolerated on DU? backscatter712 Sep 2012 #51

True, which is why most of the actual Progressive Dems don't bother posting about OWS sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #52

Not a bad idea per se tama Sep 2012 #23

Excellent point Time for change Sep 2012 #24

Yes, I agree. Paying for a civilian force that is meant to protect and serve the sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #37

MAFIA BASED CAPITALISM ! ! ! ! ! ! PuraVidaDreamin Sep 2012 #15

oh and K & R PuraVidaDreamin Sep 2012 #16

Over the last few years, the more I learn the more I realize Time for change Sep 2012 #33

Me too. And it is not the first time I've seen it described as similar to the Mafia. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #41

K&R. n/t DLevine Sep 2012 #19

Excellent post, thank you. They should stage a 'burn your credit card' protest sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #39

Thank you for another excellent post, Time for change. Raksha Sep 2012 #44

Debt = Indentured Servitude Zorra Sep 2012 #46

There's an occupy action monday on wall street. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #53

And lots of supporting actions across the country. n/t backscatter712 Sep 2012 #54

For profit debtors prisons? n/t Smickey Sep 2012 #58