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Ms. Toad

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38. So I take it you don't recommend the flu vaccine -

Sat May 23, 2020, 09:29 PM

May 2020

and also call it not effective at all?

The last time it's been more than 50% effective was 2013 (it was 52% effective then). Most years it's closer to 30%.

The point is nothing is 100% effective. People are going to get COVID 19. We need to slow the transmission - and cutting out 50% of the transmission is a whole lot better than cutting out nothing. Layer it with social distancing, handwashing, minimizing unnecessary trips out of the house, working from home when possible, etc., and you get substantially fewer transmissions.

Discouraging people from wearing cloth masks because they are not as effective as N95 masis is irresponsible.

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So how do people catch the virus when they take all precautions? [View all] LAS14 May 2020 OP

Nobody does everything perfectly DetroitLegalBeagle May 2020 #1

N95 denotes only 95% effective. N100, R100 or P100 better. But it also enters eyes and ear canals. TheBlackAdder May 2020 #31

the cloth masks are between 50 and 90% as effective as an N95 masks. Ms. Toad May 2020 #33

It gives people the false sence of security, and there lies it's flaw. TheBlackAdder May 2020 #36

So I take it you don't recommend the flu vaccine - Ms. Toad May 2020 #38

Conflate much? You know the point I made and are being argumentative. TheBlackAdder May 2020 #40

50% is 50% Ms. Toad May 2020 #41

Yes, you're right 50% IS 50%. TheBlackAdder May 2020 #42

Actually, I don't. Ms. Toad May 2020 #44

Whatever. TheBlackAdder May 2020 #46

That's not what it means. Drahthaardogs May 2020 #47

Yes, and homemade ones don't filter down below a micron, which makes them ineffective on COVID. TheBlackAdder May 2020 #48

PPE is really the LAST and WORST way to avoid exposure Drahthaardogs May 2020 #51

👍 TheBlackAdder May 2020 #52

I researched the ear canal theory yesterday and couldn't find anything to support it. n/t pnwmom May 2020 #56

One technique that I am using. Blue_true May 2020 #43

I think the elapsed time and proximity are talking about likelihood Squinch May 2020 #2

Neera Tanden, elleng May 2020 #3

She says that she didn't reallly socialize. Ms. Toad May 2020 #34

Who does he live with? Yavin4 May 2020 #4

Unless someone has absolute recall of every single thing they've done in a two-week stopbush May 2020 #5

And "doing everything right" will only minimize the risk, not eliminate it Salviati May 2020 #9

I have been keeping track of where I go with date and approximate time. blueinredohio May 2020 #18

Did he go out to stores, on walks, etc? LisaL May 2020 #6

Nothing can 100% prevent it. BigmanPigman May 2020 #7

Someone he is quarantined with is an asymptomatic carrier? nt Nay May 2020 #8

We should also remember that... UncleTomsEvilBrother May 2020 #10

Probably many people have an immune response that knocks it off. dawg day May 2020 #11

People at grocery stores pull down their masks, talk jmg257 May 2020 #12

Exactly. LisaL May 2020 #15

More than a few times I see people not covering their nose with a mask still_one May 2020 #27

I see that, too! That's as good as NO mask. n/t Beartracks May 2020 #54

Exactly still_one May 2020 #55

With millions of active cases in the US now, there are going to be outliers like this Shermann May 2020 #13

There is one thing I've noticed that many people while speaking are 42bambi May 2020 #14

I read where some man says got it eyes. Scientist or medical so in the know. I wear huge sunglasses LizBeth May 2020 #16

He is a Virologist and Epidemologist that is an expert guest on Blue_true May 2020 #45

Ah. Thanks. You know what is fun about you? LizBeth May 2020 #49

I can give kluxy info too, so that. I just happened to read that article very carefully. Blue_true May 2020 #53

It's more likely to be transmitted with time and proximity. Mariana May 2020 #17

I used to work with a couple of those "close talkers." Glad I retired now...:) But as to your dameatball May 2020 #19

... greenjar_01 May 2020 #20

because it's not a hazmat suit qazplm135 May 2020 #21

That person likely associated with someone who did not take all necessary precautions. LonePirate May 2020 #22

Some people are just more susceptible to it... Blasphemer May 2020 #23

There are still quite a few people you encounter that aren't wearing a mask. Remember, the CDC says napi21 May 2020 #24

It does both, Ms. Toad May 2020 #35

Bad luck. TheCowsCameHome May 2020 #25

Through your eyes, tear duct to nasal passages uppityperson May 2020 #26

Touching an infected nozzle at a gas station will do it. LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2020 #28

N95 masks - if she even has one that good Jarqui May 2020 #29

Masks are mostly about keeping your Voltaire2 May 2020 #30

All it takes is one thing done wrong Meowmee May 2020 #32

Can enter thru the eyes too. Read that a couple days ago Roland99 May 2020 #37

***NO EYE COVERING***, yes ... sucks, it can get into eyes without n95 mask on other person. uponit7771 May 2020 #39

If there are other people in the household who go out Crunchy Frog May 2020 #50