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Ms. Toad

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44. Actually, I don't.

Sat May 23, 2020, 10:02 PM

May 2020

What I responded to was not a discouragement to place themselves at risk. It was an assertion that masks are ineffective - the same thing I am encountering daily among friends and relatives who are asserting it as a justification for not wearing a mask.

I do have a problem with suggesting not wearing a mask to avoid a false sense of security - because functionally that is the same as people who are refusing to wear masks because they just don't want to - and we are all less safe because they are 50-90% as effective as N95 masis; not wearing them makes us all less safe.

But if what you are suggesting to wear a mask (even if all you have is a cloth mask) but to make sure to take other steps to stay safe, I agree.

You appeared to be suggesting the former.

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So how do people catch the virus when they take all precautions? [View all] LAS14 May 2020 OP

Nobody does everything perfectly DetroitLegalBeagle May 2020 #1

N95 denotes only 95% effective. N100, R100 or P100 better. But it also enters eyes and ear canals. TheBlackAdder May 2020 #31

the cloth masks are between 50 and 90% as effective as an N95 masks. Ms. Toad May 2020 #33

It gives people the false sence of security, and there lies it's flaw. TheBlackAdder May 2020 #36

So I take it you don't recommend the flu vaccine - Ms. Toad May 2020 #38

Conflate much? You know the point I made and are being argumentative. TheBlackAdder May 2020 #40

50% is 50% Ms. Toad May 2020 #41

Yes, you're right 50% IS 50%. TheBlackAdder May 2020 #42

Actually, I don't. Ms. Toad May 2020 #44

Whatever. TheBlackAdder May 2020 #46

That's not what it means. Drahthaardogs May 2020 #47

Yes, and homemade ones don't filter down below a micron, which makes them ineffective on COVID. TheBlackAdder May 2020 #48

PPE is really the LAST and WORST way to avoid exposure Drahthaardogs May 2020 #51

👍 TheBlackAdder May 2020 #52

I researched the ear canal theory yesterday and couldn't find anything to support it. n/t pnwmom May 2020 #56

One technique that I am using. Blue_true May 2020 #43

I think the elapsed time and proximity are talking about likelihood Squinch May 2020 #2

Neera Tanden, elleng May 2020 #3

She says that she didn't reallly socialize. Ms. Toad May 2020 #34

Who does he live with? Yavin4 May 2020 #4

Unless someone has absolute recall of every single thing they've done in a two-week stopbush May 2020 #5

And "doing everything right" will only minimize the risk, not eliminate it Salviati May 2020 #9

I have been keeping track of where I go with date and approximate time. blueinredohio May 2020 #18

Did he go out to stores, on walks, etc? LisaL May 2020 #6

Nothing can 100% prevent it. BigmanPigman May 2020 #7

Someone he is quarantined with is an asymptomatic carrier? nt Nay May 2020 #8

We should also remember that... UncleTomsEvilBrother May 2020 #10

Probably many people have an immune response that knocks it off. dawg day May 2020 #11

People at grocery stores pull down their masks, talk jmg257 May 2020 #12

Exactly. LisaL May 2020 #15

More than a few times I see people not covering their nose with a mask still_one May 2020 #27

I see that, too! That's as good as NO mask. n/t Beartracks May 2020 #54

Exactly still_one May 2020 #55

With millions of active cases in the US now, there are going to be outliers like this Shermann May 2020 #13

There is one thing I've noticed that many people while speaking are 42bambi May 2020 #14

I read where some man says got it eyes. Scientist or medical so in the know. I wear huge sunglasses LizBeth May 2020 #16

He is a Virologist and Epidemologist that is an expert guest on Blue_true May 2020 #45

Ah. Thanks. You know what is fun about you? LizBeth May 2020 #49

I can give kluxy info too, so that. I just happened to read that article very carefully. Blue_true May 2020 #53

It's more likely to be transmitted with time and proximity. Mariana May 2020 #17

I used to work with a couple of those "close talkers." Glad I retired now...:) But as to your dameatball May 2020 #19

... greenjar_01 May 2020 #20

because it's not a hazmat suit qazplm135 May 2020 #21

That person likely associated with someone who did not take all necessary precautions. LonePirate May 2020 #22

Some people are just more susceptible to it... Blasphemer May 2020 #23

There are still quite a few people you encounter that aren't wearing a mask. Remember, the CDC says napi21 May 2020 #24

It does both, Ms. Toad May 2020 #35

Bad luck. TheCowsCameHome May 2020 #25

Through your eyes, tear duct to nasal passages uppityperson May 2020 #26

Touching an infected nozzle at a gas station will do it. LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2020 #28

N95 masks - if she even has one that good Jarqui May 2020 #29

Masks are mostly about keeping your Voltaire2 May 2020 #30

All it takes is one thing done wrong Meowmee May 2020 #32

Can enter thru the eyes too. Read that a couple days ago Roland99 May 2020 #37

***NO EYE COVERING***, yes ... sucks, it can get into eyes without n95 mask on other person. uponit7771 May 2020 #39

If there are other people in the household who go out Crunchy Frog May 2020 #50