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Ms. Toad

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19. I agree with the title - if you replace Amy Cooper with women
Wed May 27, 2020, 12:56 PM
May 2020

BUT - Amy Cooper's fear of men was general, she would not have threatened to call the police to report an "African American" man. (Not just once, but repeatedly)

But doing so, she was expressly using his race as a threat against him. I'll call the cops on you (sub voce - and you know what happens to black men when the cops are called).

When the elevator story was going around a few years ago about a famous black man who was offended by a white woman on the elevator who refused to tell him what floor she was getting off on, he attributed it to racism. My reaction to that story was - no her refusal to tell him the floor was most likely based on gender. As he reported it, she didn't mention his race, she didn't use his race to ward him off. She merely refused to tell him what floor she was getting off on. Nothing in that story suggested to me that her actions were specific to his race, rather than gender.

That is not the case here.

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This is a laughable argument. Loki Liesmith May 2020 #1
Yes it is BigMin28 May 2020 #2
Good God greenjar_01 May 2020 #3
Wow! Amy Cooper was not being attacked and raped and no one offered treats to her dog. SharonClark May 2020 #4
He did but that's not the point. He offered them to the dog as a way to get her pnwmom May 2020 #11
Thanks for the correction. SharonClark May 2020 #17
I think he offered treats to her dog LeftInTX May 2020 #21
Actually, yes, Christian Cooper did "pull out treats" csziggy May 2020 #22
Well, he did say he had treats for the dog. Tipperary May 2020 #38
Nice try StarfishSaver May 2020 #5
Not to mention the fact that she ran directly toward him, not away from him. Solomon May 2020 #36
are you serious right now? qazplm135 May 2020 #6
'Fear of Men Who Are Strangers' might have been a good topic. Captain Stern May 2020 #7
If you watched the video it was clear SHE was the aggressive one. He asked her to back off. pnwmom May 2020 #8
The exact words were... Dr. Strange May 2020 #43
You completely took the words out of context. I am a woman and I heard and saw the whole thing. pnwmom May 2020 #49
Yeah... Dr. Strange May 2020 #53
I'm serious mrsadm May 2020 #9
edits added to explain more. mrsadm May 2020 #12
If you watched the video why would you have been afraid? SHE ran up close to HIM. pnwmom May 2020 #13
You understand "her fear"? What fear could that possibly be when she was the aggressor and liar? SharonClark May 2020 #15
She escalated it and kept moving toward him. That's aggression not fear. herding cats May 2020 #20
+1 dalton99a May 2020 #30
I think what you're missing is that others DON'T think you "understand her fear" FBaggins May 2020 #42
I can understand "the" fear (of being accosted by a strange man) MrsMatt May 2020 #58
I would insist that I be asked for permission before anyone gave food or a treat ... 11 Bravo May 2020 #10
The whole reason he offered the treat was to get her to put the dog on a leash -- which she did. pnwmom May 2020 #16
I know why he did it. 11 Bravo May 2020 #18
And that's a reason he keeps the treats handy. So when people are letting their dogs loose, pnwmom May 2020 #24
We're talking in circles here. 11 Bravo May 2020 #26
Lots of people carry dog treats to punish bad owners. unitedwethrive May 2020 #33
I've tossed dog treats to dogs on the loose before too. StarryNite May 2020 #37
I'm not a bad owner, so it shouldn't be an issue. 11 Bravo May 2020 #44
Compel, not force. LanternWaste May 2020 #60
"Compel"and "force" I used neither term. 11 Bravo May 2020 #62
Come the fuck on. She said she was going to call the cops and tell them an "African-American man WhiskeyGrinder May 2020 #14
I agree with the title - if you replace Amy Cooper with women Ms. Toad May 2020 #19
Dear God in heaven. Hey, you guys, the cracks in the woodwork have opened again. Squinch May 2020 #23
You can go ahead and remove the overt and specific racist component Cal Carpenter May 2020 #25
Women should have the police harass black men becuase of rape? KWR65 May 2020 #27
Really? nt jrthin May 2020 #28
Good thing he didn't whistle at her. Behind the Aegis May 2020 #29
What? Then don't break the leash law and invite confrontation! unitedwethrive May 2020 #31
Does not apply in this case. tazkcmo May 2020 #32
Agree. Tipperary May 2020 #40
This makes no sense SouthernCal_Dem May 2020 #34
pure bollocks, you should self-delete Celerity May 2020 #35
Males that a woman is intimate with pose a far bigger threat then male strangers Kaleva May 2020 #39
I am a big dude, and I have been walking behind females in parking lots and had them speed up on me. Brainfodder May 2020 #41
I've Done That, Too ProfessorGAC May 2020 #56
She could have leashed her dog and walked away. cwydro May 2020 #45
If she was really afraid of him, why didn't she turn around and raccoon May 2020 #46
Nope. She was not ONE bit afraid. She's a RACIST. BlueLucy May 2020 #47
She is an entitled dog owner who thinks rules do not apply to her whiteness... BlueLucy May 2020 #48
It's NYC, Corgigal May 2020 #50
"Oooh, I am in fear for my life." MicaelS May 2020 #51
I also am wary of strangers, being both small & old, but Amy was the aggressor in every sense... Hekate May 2020 #52
Context matters. And the treats were offered to keep the dog from tearing up the habitat. GoneOffShore May 2020 #54
If she was truly afraid of him, she would have Bettie May 2020 #55
Why are some people driven to defend this woman? Codeine May 2020 #57
You just watch.... MicaelS May 2020 #64
Real fear can still be irrational. Act_of_Reparation May 2020 #59
So can racism. MrsCoffee May 2020 #72
Was anyone suggesting otherwise? Act_of_Reparation May 2020 #73
Do you aggressively approach males you are suspicious of? LanternWaste May 2020 #61
This is a very bad situation to try to make this case dsc May 2020 #63
2002 sign up just now posting this? ChubbyStar May 2020 #65
Makes me wonder how is the weather in Moscow n/t MicaelS May 2020 #66
To clarify, my comments were more general than mrsadm May 2020 #67
Well your fears have nothing to do with this situation. MrsCoffee May 2020 #71
The question is qwlauren35 May 2020 #68
You think she was afraid that he and his sister were going to attack and rape her? MrsCoffee May 2020 #69
WOW mshasta May 2020 #70
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