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Confusious

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31. Disagreement, yes

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:15 AM

Sep 2012

You seem to be calling everyone who doesn't agree with you "haters" or "bigots" or questioning their reasons for defending "freedom of speech."

That's not disagreement.

Ps. To use an old worn out, run over, wrung out, burned up phrase, freedom of speech is what this country was founded on.

Am I an absolutist? Within reason. And critizisms of religion fall within that catagory. The guy may have made a terrible video, that was designed to rile people up, but what about

Van gogh, who made a movie about Islams treatment of women? He died for that, and it was a fair critizism.

People got riled up about that to. Would it be OK not to have those critizisms?

What about the pedo scandal of the church? They could have just claimed blasphemy, or secrets of the church or some shit like that.

Or does it only apply to one religion, Islam?

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I'm Not Giving Up My Free Speech Rights Because Some Cretin Made An Anti-Muslim Film [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 OP

Agree. cali Sep 2012 #1

Who's asking you to? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #2

There Was A "Fuck Netanyahu" Thread Here The Other Day DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #3

Who's asking you to give up your first amendment rights, DSB? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #8

Defending the rights of somebody to make a bigoted film... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #12

Except the rights are not in question Scootaloo Sep 2012 #22

The Right Are In Question DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #28

That Is The Most Absurd Rebuttal I Have Seen In My Fourteen Years Of Surfing The 'Internets' DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #14

Who is asking you to give up your first amendment rights, DSB? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #23

Why do you care if the government taps all phone calls if you have nothing to hide joeglow3 Sep 2012 #62

I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write. Confusious Sep 2012 #18

Voltaire would presumably accept that disagreement is allowed Scootaloo Sep 2012 #25

Disagreement, yes Confusious Sep 2012 #31

Because there is no violation to "defend" against. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #35

Elaborate DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #43

Who is asking you to give up your first amendment rights? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #46

The People Who Are Suggesting The Anti-Muslim Film Maker Be Prosecuted DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #51

You may need to scan the threads here again. joeglow3 Sep 2012 #63

I would like elaboration also Confusious Sep 2012 #74

No one should be prosecuted treestar Sep 2012 #33

DU Would Censure You And Appropriately So DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #4

You may have a right to say everything you want, but you do not have a right karynnj Sep 2012 #26

Freedom of speech doesn't mean private groups are forced to give a forum for what you say gollygee Sep 2012 #5

I just figured it was kind of strange... Scootaloo Sep 2012 #11

The Point Is There Is Commentary On DU DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #19

Unfortunately. nt Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #49

I disagree, as a standalone news item a link to it would/should be tolerated ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #16

What, no rally to support his freedom of speech? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #24

I have not said anything against his/her right to protest while carrying that sign ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #29

People are talking about prosecuting the film maker or extraditing him overseas. Zalatix Sep 2012 #55

I'm with you Progressive dog Sep 2012 #6

But it's OK for the police state.. ananda Sep 2012 #7

That's not OK, either. The right to assemble and the right to information are just as important. Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #52

And send huge sums of money to nations that support the death penalty for homosexuality. lamzydivy Sep 2012 #73

We need to teach this to the new democracies in the world. porphyrian Sep 2012 #9

Our Constitution's "freedom of speech" relates Roselma Sep 2012 #10

Actually you give up your free speech everytime you post here Kindly Refrain Sep 2012 #13

DU Is A Private Entity DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #15

There are several definitions of the notion of "free speech" Kindly Refrain Sep 2012 #20

As A Legal Matter The Cretin Who Made The Film Should Be Left Alone Unless He Violated Other Laws DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #21

Concur ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #32

DU already is self censored karynnj Sep 2012 #17

And some of us have an increasingly nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #48

Who exactly is asking you to... 99Forever Sep 2012 #27

I Was Speaking In A Global Sense And Yes There Have Been Calls For Restrictions On Free Speech DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #58

I see... 99Forever Sep 2012 #66

Freedom of speech is not the issue treestar Sep 2012 #30

I Would Have Preferred The Film Not Be Made And Muslims Not Be Disrespected DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #34

I'm with you entirely treestar Sep 2012 #68

That WAS the point. MH1 Sep 2012 #42

Fraud 's Not Protected Speech Nor Should It Be DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #44

I agree, and I hope they get the filmmaker on that. MH1 Sep 2012 #50

A questions that is of interest treestar Sep 2012 #69

IIRC, DU is private property and the admins can censor to their hearts' content. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #36

I Don't Think There Was Anything In My OP That Suggested Otherwise DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #37

Your entire premise is made of straw. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #38

That's A Declaration And Not An Argument DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #41

A statement of fact, why yes, it was. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #56

"as many above have also noted." DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #57

Not when based on factual evidence. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #61

I Think You Are Comparing An Observation With A Fact DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #64

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 x Infinity! Odin2005 Sep 2012 #39

I agree, EXCEPT it appears that the filmmaker may have committed a crime MH1 Sep 2012 #40

Many democrats need to get out of their own heads once in a while. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #45

I Live In The Second Largest And Most Diverse City In The United States DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #54

K&R. There should never be any exceptions whatsoever to free speech. Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #47

Nonsense. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #65

FIRE !!!!!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #53

i'm not giving up my right to condemn bigoted shit lumps.. frylock Sep 2012 #59

Is There Much Daylight Between "Cretin" And "Bigoted Shit Lump"? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #60

But that's the point of the 1A Yo_Mama Sep 2012 #72

Just don't deliberately incite violence. Zoeisright Sep 2012 #67

This movie was made to create an international incident BarackTheVote Sep 2012 #70

Strongly agree Yo_Mama Sep 2012 #71