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Zalatix

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137. Anyone is free to trash talk that idiot film maker. His film was idiotic. We all agree on that.

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 10:16 AM

Sep 2012

The discussion here is about people on the DU who have specifically said that he should be prosecuted for "inciting a riot" or, worse, extradited and thrown to the angry masses in the Middle East.

If the situation ever comes to that I hope there's a REVOLUTION to prevent that from happening.

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So it's okay to insult religious beliefs in America, but if you insult religions based overseas then [View all] Zalatix Sep 2012 OP

Pssst! xfundy Sep 2012 #1

we can make the world a better place fraankky Sep 2012 #101

I don't believe in any god kdmorris Sep 2012 #122

"rioting madmen". right. gotcha cali Sep 2012 #2

I agree MrDiaz Sep 2012 #5

Hey don't blame Obama - it was Hillary who let this crap get outta hand. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #12

Seriously? Blame Hillary? dkf Sep 2012 #147

Why didn't he wave his magic wand and get rid of this stuff? nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #41

This is 60 years in the making ArcticFox Sep 2012 #160

Yes, it's more about the drones and the invasions than some stupid movie. Zalatix Sep 2012 #14

but you didn't remotely say that in the OP cali Sep 2012 #17

No, because my OP is addressing people who think that the film maker should be punished. Zalatix Sep 2012 #18

So your premise is that .. 99Forever Sep 2012 #100

He's not inciting acts of violence. Yours is a strange, strange world. Fortunately it is NOT America Zalatix Sep 2012 #103

So your response is a weak attempt at a petty... 99Forever Sep 2012 #114

Wait, you can dish out the weak, petty insults, but you can't take one back at you? Awwwww. Zalatix Sep 2012 #119

The point smart guy... 99Forever Sep 2012 #123

Zalatix wasn't denying anyone's "free speech rights". The concern was over violence. Riots. riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #127

Nonsense. 99Forever Sep 2012 #128

Critisize the film all you want. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #135

Where the fuck did I EVER... 99Forever Sep 2012 #142

Excuse me, you accused me of opposing others' rights to criticize "Innocence of Muslims". Zalatix Sep 2012 #145

Where did anybody say they DIDN'T have the right to call for his punishment? eqfan592 Sep 2012 #148

99Forever made that up out of thin air and they know they did. Zalatix Sep 2012 #150

Show the post where I ever opposed anyone's right to speak out against "Innocence of Muslims". Zalatix Sep 2012 #146

See how 99Forever avoids direct and clearly-written challenges to his/her falsehoods? Zalatix Sep 2012 #149

Speaking of temper tantrums. 99Forever Sep 2012 #154

LOL you can't handle being wrong. You lost the argument. Bye! Zalatix Sep 2012 #158

"Bigoted head"? Now you are an outright malicious LIAR. You made that up out of thin air. Zalatix Sep 2012 #141

He can't address the valid point you're making cuz his arguments are so full of holes. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #129

Yep. 99Forever Sep 2012 #132

You falsely accused me of opposing others' rights to criticize the "Innocent of Muslims" film. Zalatix Sep 2012 #143

He may have the right to make such a film, as disgusting as it is, but he must also be prepared to face the consequences. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #24

Define "face the consequences" Zalatix Sep 2012 #25

As those of faith like to say, you reap what you sow - this guy deserves to be "reaped" big time for provoking people, knowing what the reaction would be. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #30

Nobody who insults religions here gets "reaped". Why do you think it should be different Zalatix Sep 2012 #31

You can't be this naive. It's different because the idiot insulted people who he had to know would not react kindly to such insults. Doh! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #40

You can't be this ignorant of the law. The law says incitement to riot means calling for violence. Zalatix Sep 2012 #44

U even called the rioters "MADMEN" who by definition dont act RATIONALLY-so yes u CAN incite violence w/o explicitly callin 4 it if theres a reasonable expectation it will ensue. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #55

You openly accuse me of stupidity and then you REPEATEDLY engage in stupidity yourself. Zalatix Sep 2012 #57

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Thank you for proving my point once again. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #67

You have no point. Zalatix Sep 2012 #70

And your point is? LOL InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #73

You still have no point. Zalatix Sep 2012 #77

based on your stance MrDiaz Sep 2012 #104

Westboro Baptist are madmen who don't act rationally Telly Savalas Sep 2012 #136

he probably lives in the US instead of Egypt because alc Sep 2012 #81

No he should not be imprisoned treestar Sep 2012 #153

Good point but you left out a biggie... limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #37

No, this is about people rioting over a video. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2012 #54

sorry, but this didn't happen in a vacuum cali Sep 2012 #98

The riots and protests are now also occurring in first world countries like the UK and Australia riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #111

And you 'know' this because... randome Sep 2012 #66

I know this because it's fucking obvious to anyone with a functional brain cell or two. cali Sep 2012 #99

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I think it borders on the grotesque to claim that DU cali Sep 2012 #4

Dehumanizing them is okay, though? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #7

id say anyone who thinks its okay to riot and kill because someone insults some guy in their religio loli phabay Sep 2012 #8

I don't think the majority of folks here dehumanize women or Moslems or any other group cali Sep 2012 #9

True, but the Muslim religion is often used to dehumanize women in the EXTREME and not a peep from Hillary! Maybe it's time to call her out. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #19

You deny that rioting madmen killed a US ambassador? Does anyone have a logical basis to deny that? Zalatix Sep 2012 #16

And if people know that these rioting madmen exist, don'tcha think they have a responsibility not to do things that will provoke those madmen into committing heinous acts? InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #33

No more responsibility than I have in avoiding provoking the KKK. Zalatix Sep 2012 #36

You serious? I never said the rioters are not responsible for THEIR actions - they are - but the filmmaker is ALSO responsible for inciting the rioters. What's so hard to understand? InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #45

What part of "the film maker is NOT responsible for inciting the rioters" do you not understand? Zalatix Sep 2012 #48

LOL! Who said anything about restrictin free speech? Ur embarrassin urself w/ these strawman arguments but i defend UR right of free speech & 2 make a fool of urself. 2 funny! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #58

No restrictions, eh? Then perhaps someone hacked your account and posted this while you were gone. Zalatix Sep 2012 #62

That u stretch what I'm sayin 4 ur silly point is laughable-we punish speech when it causes harm-if u yell fire in a crowded theatre or slander.U really this ignorant or just pullin my leg? InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #69

You're being DISHONEST to deny that saying someone should be REAPED doesn't constitute punishment. Zalatix Sep 2012 #71

Its the same when u know the consequences of ur actions. Many slander suits r based on unfounded statements known 2 be false & r well deserving of punishment. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #75

Criticizing a religion is NOT "yelling fire" or slander. Sorry, your argument is still uneducated. Zalatix Sep 2012 #78

I took the "reaped"... malokvale77 Sep 2012 #125

Anyone is free to trash talk that idiot film maker. His film was idiotic. We all agree on that. Zalatix Sep 2012 #137

I deny it in the specific ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #88

So the film maker wasn't at fault by even the most irrational stretch of the imagination? Zalatix Sep 2012 #91

I believe at this point rabblerousers are citing it to whip up a frenzy ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #96

They have no idea of the consequences of their attacks on free speech. Zalatix Sep 2012 #105

The belligerents don't even understand the concept...which is part of the problem ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #120

In Australia?? The UK??? Indonesia??? Really? riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #121

Indeed ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #124

But those countries have an educated populace who know that we do riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #126

lets see if you can answer this MrDiaz Sep 2012 #6

They would be putting you in jail because... Hubert Flottz Sep 2012 #11

wtf MrDiaz Sep 2012 #15

I didn't understand that either. Quantess Sep 2012 #43

You're claiming MrDiaz is insane? Zalatix Sep 2012 #46

Yes atreides1 Sep 2012 #97

Your argument is insane. Zalatix Sep 2012 #102

lol MrDiaz Sep 2012 #110

If you're referring to my suggestion they be sued jsmirman Sep 2012 #10

So, Zalatix is continuing an attack into a "new" thread...?...eom Kolesar Sep 2012 #20

Apparently, no. jsmirman Sep 2012 #28

Nope, I'm talking about the suggestions of lawsuits over wrongful death and "inciting violence" Zalatix Sep 2012 #23

Ok, just checking jsmirman Sep 2012 #27

Boy, that escalated quickly. Lasher Sep 2012 #13

File this one under: "fucked premise" ... eom Kolesar Sep 2012 #21

Nothing fucked about my premise. n/t Zalatix Sep 2012 #22

People don't get killed for being Christian in America eridani Sep 2012 #26

Excellent point, often overlooked by warmongers. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #34

Christians are killed around the world daily. nt NCTraveler Sep 2012 #116

There's a difference.. sendero Sep 2012 #29

"villifying with extreme prejudice"... is that illegal in America? Care to cite the law on that? Zalatix Sep 2012 #39

Unrec... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #32

Yes, I am reading EXACTLY what other people are saying. Zalatix Sep 2012 #38

Okay okay, technically you may be "reading" what others are saying, but you're obviously not comprehending (or intentionally provoking like that idiot filmmaker). InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #47

I comprehend it perfectly. You will not ever show otherwise. You have no facts to back you up. Zalatix Sep 2012 #49

Oh okay, so you ARE intentionally provoking people here w/ your comments, like that idiot filmmaker, and now facing the consequences of your stupidity by being called out on it. I get it, thanks for c InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #50

I admit I have provoked you into hurling an irrational personal attack. Zalatix Sep 2012 #51

LOL! Nice try, but your making inane comments speaks for itself. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #53

Inane? You're the one who has no facts, no logic and no basis behind your arguments. Zalatix Sep 2012 #56

Really? We don't sue people 4 criticism? Ever heard of slander based on unfounded criticism intended 2 cause harm? Keep diggin, tho u really should stop embarrassing urself InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #61

Stop making a fool of yourself and name me one case where a RELIGION has sued for slander. Zalatix Sep 2012 #83

lol you should MrDiaz Sep 2012 #113

so if InAbLuEsTaTe insulted you 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #65

Good idea! You know what, if I kill someone in anger over what InAbLuEsTaTe said Zalatix Sep 2012 #68

no really 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #74

Just when I thought your argument couldn't get more inaccurate Zalatix Sep 2012 #79

Precisely! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #72

So if your arguments drive me to kill someone and I say you drove me to it then you should be REAPED Zalatix Sep 2012 #80

BINGO Zax2me Sep 2012 #35

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #42

Well, Islam has no base, no "pope" longship Sep 2012 #52

Oh HELL NO!! You go ahead and be as insulting as you want!! renie408 Sep 2012 #59

Maybe tama Sep 2012 #60

Quit blaming basic American freedoms for this JCMach1 Sep 2012 #63

It's one thing to insult the KKK, another to insult them when they're surrounding a friend's house.. Moonwalk Sep 2012 #76

That was an excellent analogy. renie408 Sep 2012 #82

Precisely! It's irrisponsible and should be punishable. All we're sayin. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2012 #94

But it's not punishable. That's what American freedoms are all about. Zalatix Sep 2012 #112

Irrisponsible, absolutely. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #138

LOL!!! There is no such thing as mocking the KKK from a safe distance. Zalatix Sep 2012 #85

South Carolina here, and you are not kidding. renie408 Sep 2012 #87

None. Zalatix Sep 2012 #90

COOL!! renie408 Sep 2012 #106

And if I tell your neighbors that you oppose free speech, and they kill you, then I'm OK, too! Zalatix Sep 2012 #107

It's one thing to insult someone who won't fight back 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #117

So what about being an abortion doctor? dkf Sep 2012 #155

"...surrounding a friend's house with torches lit." skypilot Sep 2012 #156

We aren't already predisposed to hating what is being done in our name. Our infrastructures 2on2u Sep 2012 #84

Then as I said to Cali, the problem is not the film maker, but US imperialism. Zalatix Sep 2012 #86

Why can't it be both? renie408 Sep 2012 #89

Held accountable HOW? Zalatix Sep 2012 #93

Well, we could "unfriend" him. n/t 2on2u Sep 2012 #95

You could charge him with a crime. renie408 Sep 2012 #108

Okay, what crime? Show me a court that'll uphold that. Go ahead, I'll wait. Zalatix Sep 2012 #109

The riots and protests are now also occurring in first world countries like the UK and Australia riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #92

If christians were to murder Andres Serrano (of piss-christ fame) 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #115

of course not, he's a white Westerner. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #133

Now we are sending in troops sorefeet Sep 2012 #118

Still trying to justify letting crazy people dictate our rights? Zalatix Sep 2012 #140

Censorship is OK if victims of Western Imperialism are offended! Odin2005 Sep 2012 #130

Yes, they are. It's actually very disturbing. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #139

It's the victory of the 60's New Left over the 30's Old Left. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #144

First amendment. Works if you're money, too. nt valerief Sep 2012 #131

It is OK to insult religious beliefs anywhere Progressive dog Sep 2012 #134

Don't insult anybody's religion beliefs treestar Sep 2012 #151

Absolutely no one is denying that "Innocence of Muslims" was bad form. Zalatix Sep 2012 #152

That's not the point. liberalmuse Sep 2012 #157

Then perhaps you haven't been reading? Zalatix Sep 2012 #159

This seems morer suited to the Meta forum. On that absis I am locking this with an invitation . . . Stinky The Clown Sep 2012 #161