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In reply to the discussion: At the risk of being seen as a fuddy duddy "get off my lawn" type, a confession... [View all]ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)127. Also for those interested
A history of the Karen phenomena
https://www.vox.com/2020/2/5/21079162/karen-name-insult-meme-manager
On one level, weve seen all of this before: After all, resentment toward the upper middle class what we might call bourgeoisophobia has been around since the middle class itself, often coming most strongly from members of that very middle class. What has changed are Karens specific offensive traits: Like all bourgeoisie stereotypes before her, shes snobbish, prudish, and hypocritical. But now, shes against science on principle, which is definitely a new twist to the traditional bourgeois model. And the chief way she manifests her class consciousness is not by, say, being a patron of the arts, but by being aggressively rude to the help.
Karen isnt alone in receiving this treatment. Weve increasingly seen a lot of basic white names commonly associated, rightly or wrongly, with Middle American white Protestants being used in mocking memes that portray them as archetypes rather than individuals. Consider such examples as: Theyre lesbians, Harold, Talkback Tammy, theyre good dogs Brent, and, of course, Becky with the good hair. White people seem just as likely to make fun of these names as everyone else, especially when it comes to men making fun of women; in the predominantly white mens rights movement, Chads, Stacys, and Beckys are used to embody and mock people who conform to mainstream gender norms and beauty standards.
This trend might have also gotten a boost from social media, according to Dr. I.M. Nick, a nomenclature scholar and former president of the American Name Society. The general tendency which social media users have been shown to manifest is a high frequency of shortenings and abbreviations, she said in an email, though she hesitated to speculate on how this tendency might apply to specific names. Combined with what seems to be an underground but culturally established association of Karen with rude entitlement more on that in a minute its possible that social media shorthand could also be one potential origin point for the meme.
Oxford Karen told me shed seen the meme applied to other names like Susan and Zach what she describes as basic white people names. She compared the meme to the famous Key & Peele Substitute Teacher sketch, which inverts/calls out the tendency white people have to stigmatize and mock ethnic names by applying that mentality to white names. I taught at a school with predominantly children of color, she said, and that Key & Peele sketch hit home. In other words, she suggested, theres potentially an element of reclamation in this trend payback for decades of black names being pejoratively stereotyped, as the sketch highlights:
Karen isnt alone in receiving this treatment. Weve increasingly seen a lot of basic white names commonly associated, rightly or wrongly, with Middle American white Protestants being used in mocking memes that portray them as archetypes rather than individuals. Consider such examples as: Theyre lesbians, Harold, Talkback Tammy, theyre good dogs Brent, and, of course, Becky with the good hair. White people seem just as likely to make fun of these names as everyone else, especially when it comes to men making fun of women; in the predominantly white mens rights movement, Chads, Stacys, and Beckys are used to embody and mock people who conform to mainstream gender norms and beauty standards.
This trend might have also gotten a boost from social media, according to Dr. I.M. Nick, a nomenclature scholar and former president of the American Name Society. The general tendency which social media users have been shown to manifest is a high frequency of shortenings and abbreviations, she said in an email, though she hesitated to speculate on how this tendency might apply to specific names. Combined with what seems to be an underground but culturally established association of Karen with rude entitlement more on that in a minute its possible that social media shorthand could also be one potential origin point for the meme.
Oxford Karen told me shed seen the meme applied to other names like Susan and Zach what she describes as basic white people names. She compared the meme to the famous Key & Peele Substitute Teacher sketch, which inverts/calls out the tendency white people have to stigmatize and mock ethnic names by applying that mentality to white names. I taught at a school with predominantly children of color, she said, and that Key & Peele sketch hit home. In other words, she suggested, theres potentially an element of reclamation in this trend payback for decades of black names being pejoratively stereotyped, as the sketch highlights:
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At the risk of being seen as a fuddy duddy "get off my lawn" type, a confession... [View all]
Pacifist Patriot
May 2020
OP
Becky, Karen, Susan & Gertrudes... Karen's are bad, but nothing tops my age group: Susans!
TheBlackAdder
May 2020
#27
it describes a specific set of behaviors. If your wife exhibits those behaviors, then it applies to
Voltaire2
May 2020
#14
Using a real person's name as a shorthand for offensive behavior is cruel and demeanining
DBoon
May 2020
#40
It describes nothing at all. It's a name, not a description, and it's wrong to use it as a smear.
lagomorph777
May 2020
#46
"Why should the name of a woman I have been married to for many years suddenly become an acceptable
WhiskeyGrinder
May 2020
#18
It's not sexist to observe that white women benefit from white supremacy and exercise it in a
WhiskeyGrinder
May 2020
#20
How are people named Karen who do not exhibit oppressive behaviors hurt by their name being
WhiskeyGrinder
May 2020
#90
But you didn't ask the wholesale club why it was letting more people in than recommended?
WhiskeyGrinder
May 2020
#105
That's entirely fair. Sometimes people see patterns where they don't exist, and there's definitely a
WhiskeyGrinder
May 2020
#107
Chads are frat fuck-boys, and are nothing like a Karen. Matt Gaetz would be a Chad.
TheBlackAdder
May 2020
#31
I've wondered about that myself, it's bothered me, too. It's a fairly common name.
Rhiannon12866
May 2020
#12
If this is the thing that "bugs the daylights out of you" then you need to pay more attention
SoonerPride
May 2020
#19
The woman you are talking about is named Stephanie, and it was in North Carolina
whopis01
May 2020
#25
Yeah why stand up for small divisiveness when you have the big stuff to consider.
LakeArenal
May 2020
#70
Pointing out white priviledge is not the same as smearing everybody with a certain name.
lagomorph777
May 2020
#58
I don't care what this person thinks. Don't let him or her bother you.
Pacifist Patriot
May 2020
#117
Exactly. Using any given name for this purpose is immoral and is acting like the thing it calls out
lagomorph777
May 2020
#108
Kicking cause I just realized this is the equivalent of an Olive Garden thread
ismnotwasm
May 2020
#77
Hmmm, also not a fan of that dimunitive. The purpose was what exactly?
Pacifist Patriot
May 2020
#124
So you don't believe that's it's a topic with passionate opinions that ultimately don't matter?
ismnotwasm
May 2020
#123
So it inspires you to share your opinions that ultimately don't matter.
Pacifist Patriot
May 2020
#125
+1 "Karen" or "Kevin" epithets are the essence of stereotyping and bigotry.
lagomorph777
May 2020
#109