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(21,691 posts)167. I'm happy for her but have mixed feelings
I know she can use this opportunity - if she wants - to dispel a lot of misconceptions about gay women. And it's great to see anyone doing what she's "not supposed to" - in this case, be out and a beauty queen. That's awesome.
It's also great ... sort of ... that she feels so "mainstream" (for lack of a better word) that she wants to compete in a contest of who looks best in a swimming suit and heels, an outfit many women find themselves in daily; to be judged on her appearance in our premier Fat Cattle Show.
She's under no obligation as a young woman; or as a young woman with a French father; or a young woman who is gay and out; or any other combination to speak out against one of the ways women are judged and devalued. It's just a little weird that a quest for equality on one front (sexuality) involves diminishing equality on another (sex).
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Would she be getting the publicity she's getting now to work with LGBTQ youth?
justiceischeap
Jan 2012
#11
Again, mixed feelings. Same as the Santorum thing. Not that I'm gay, but I care about their dignity.
WingDinger
Jan 2012
#14
She only loses dignity if she's forced into it or she allows herself to act undignified
justiceischeap
Jan 2012
#15
If you joined the Tea Party, and were not forced into it, do you retain your full dignity?
WingDinger
Jan 2012
#16
when i see the men struttin acoss the stage in next to nothing, and we judge him on his looks
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#38
Yeah but comparing the LGBTQ community to the Tea Party or the porn industry
justiceischeap
Jan 2012
#23
Mainstreaming gays is a new trend. They had to wait for minorities and women.
WingDinger
Jan 2012
#24
"Why would anybody want to do any of those things?" I dunno, maybe because they're NOT YOU.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#69
why the fuck would I retract? Your words are in this thread, for all to see.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#144
Twain had little use or patience for puritannical would-be censors. nt
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#252
who leak the info she was in porn? she made sure it got out. because it was about reading to kids?
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#59
cute... since parents dont sit around for people to read to the kids. how about HER twittering
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#63
The whole damn point of twitter is to tell people stuff, like what you did today.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#71
"she makes movies for grown-ups", that's what you say. And you're done.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#135
there were multiple juries for different alerts, one was for 'rating' looks, others for a beauty
stockholmer
Jan 2012
#120
sit down and shut up woman, dontcha know. let a man tell you what sexism is. nt
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#47
hysterical? so if i, a woman, address a post, i am hysterical? games. fuckin childish, immature
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#73
nope, sorry women, but you don't own that word. Men can be hysterical too. n/t
zappaman
Jan 2012
#118
a woman can not say anything on the issue, without name calling to denigrate her? nt
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#76
well, when a poster makes things up and complain that posters are saying things
zappaman
Jan 2012
#85
yes it is. it is also sexist. lets see, stfu, hysterical, bent out of shape, freak out,
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#75
yes, a man told the woman wasnt sexist and to stfu... hysterical again? games again? nt
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#86
I wish her luck. Sexual orientation should not even enter into this contest. n/t
RebelOne
Jan 2012
#32
Um she is going to be scored on her appearance (hence, beauty pageant)
The Straight Story
Jan 2012
#48
an excellent thread with example how sexism is approved on du, namecalling allowed, out of control
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#123
I think that this is a good thing (open LGBT contestants in traditionally 'straight' events)
stockholmer
Jan 2012
#131
well, thank you man, for once again putting me in my place, a couple names and lecturing me on
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#134
What names did I use? This is getting to be a bit bewildering. I do not not even know
stockholmer
Jan 2012
#151
i am not a big fan of beauty pageants, but i think being openly gay and a beauty pageant
La Lioness Priyanka
Jan 2012
#204
167. you might read rep and my conversation. it was ACTUALLY a conversation about exactly this.
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#206
Its a very second wave way of being a feminist which is why I reject it in favor of third wave
stevenleser
Jan 2012
#229
i wanna hate on some wemmenz. dont take my fun away. whaaaaah. tough shit. nt
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#210
No, it's not. See, you've decided to define what constitutes "dehumanization"
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#265
when you treat a PERSON like a thing, that is dehumanizing. and yes, that is hate.
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#269
So why the fuck is the woman that the OP is about not allowed to make up her own mind?
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#259
You're having a meaningful discussion now, just with someone who doesn't agree with you.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#276
Again, where is hatred of women espoused in the OP, or any of the replies of admiration
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#296
here is an in-depth interview with Jenelle Hutcherson (Donald Trump personally invited her to run)
stockholmer
Jan 2012
#173
She's under no obligation as a woman...to speak out against one...ways women are judged and devalued
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#172
A minority, in the sociological sense (not the dominant group), is not a numerical concept.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#201
"It's just a little weird that a quest for equality on one front (sexuality) involves diminishing
redqueen
Jan 2012
#200
I think the same crap goes on in the lesbian community as in the straight community.
Dreamer Tatum
Jan 2012
#240
" I don't see why an openly gay woman in a pageant would merit any raised eyebrows at all"
redqueen
Jan 2012
#275
Used to go bar hopping in Long beach. A tranny crew would come in. Bout twelve of them.
WingDinger
Jan 2012
#214
"Men aren't really oppressed for their gender, so beauty pageants for men don't really matter."
redqueen
Jan 2012
#203
Beauty pagents for women don't really matter either, in the grand scheme of things.
Jean V. Dubois
Jan 2012
#211
I freely admit that people getting upset about beauty pageants *is* a big joke to me.
Jean V. Dubois
Jan 2012
#285
They may not help the cause of gender equality, but I don't think they hurt it in any meaningful way
Jean V. Dubois
Jan 2012
#238
I am a straight male, so I love looking at beautiful women, but that is not really the point.
ZombieHorde
Jan 2012
#241
Perhaps, but I am encouraged by the progress that has been made over the generations.
ZombieHorde
Jan 2012
#243
The problem being, of course, the definition of what exactly is "enlightenment".
Jean V. Dubois
Jan 2012
#247
ok, you are not bragging, it is the other men that say that, that is bragging
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#248
I don't know that "bragging" is the best word. I think "justifying" or "rationalizing"
Jean V. Dubois
Jan 2012
#249
i think it is bragging and about their entitlement wrapped up in them feeling like men
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#250
"racism and homophobia are much less acceptable in today's society than sexism"
redqueen
Jan 2012
#278
Valid question, but I don't think there's any question that it is the case.
Jean V. Dubois
Jan 2012
#279
he wont answer cause then they gotta own it. so skirt away, around, under and over
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#286
what i have a problem with is a thread that goes on to talk about women that dared to say anything,
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#220
why isnt the issue spelled out and what started it was the dehumanizing of this woman RATING her.
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#224
that is why i posted to the op about the direction his OP went. unfortantely, all the blame seems
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#226
i know you did not rate her. i didnt say that you did. i know your intent with the post
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#228
so? who cares. you rate her like an animal. i am so very fuckin impressed. nt
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#264