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RKP5637

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9. I reaped the benefits of capitalism, but I've also been burned by it ... I was

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 09:01 PM

Jan 2012

lucky to grow up in the best of times IMO, pre-Reagan. Yep, there were lots of problems back then, but there were also some opportunities. After the passage of civil rights things seemed to be getting better. However, after Reagan got in with his Reaganomics and voodoo economics things went downhill for "we the people." IMO capitalism works if really well regulated, but when regulation fell apart capitalism became an evil -ism IMO.

Now, we have an oligarchy and a bunch of really super wealthy people figuring out how to next best F*** over "we the people." And they are sooo isolated from the rest of the population, the 99%, it's like we are on different planets.

I don't blame young people one bit for wanting to scrap this system and try something better, I'm all with them.

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PSL: Why do young people in the US favor socialism? [View all] marmar Jan 2012 OP

because they are smart limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #1

Perhaps they don't know what socialism is. I've read many posts on DU since 2001 by those who jody Jan 2012 #2

........ marmar Jan 2012 #4

Interesting but it does not address my point about society owning the means of production. nt jody Jan 2012 #6

the definition for socialism is not as limited as your provided definition CreekDog Jan 2012 #7

Socialism is defined by Merriam-Webster as: jody Jan 2012 #8

All western democracies are mixed socialist/capitalist adventures. xchrom Jan 2012 #12

I argue nothing. I said many define socialism to include society owning the means of production. jody Jan 2012 #13

I think the soviet union is gone and people xchrom Jan 2012 #27

See #23 n/t jody Jan 2012 #30

See #23 n/t jody Jan 2012 #29

yes language evolves CreekDog Jan 2012 #24

See #23 n/t jody Jan 2012 #28

ye speak olde English? CreekDog Jan 2012 #32

Were you unable to read or understand the Pew report? n/t jody Jan 2012 #33

please keep worshipping the dictionary CreekDog Jan 2012 #47

Do you understand that the Pew report cited in the OP is based on a single question? Answers to jody Jan 2012 #49

Am I being lectured on accuracy by someone who wasn't convinced Obama was born in the USA? CreekDog Jan 2012 #50

ROFL the issue is the Pew report and people who don't understand the limitations of its jody Jan 2012 #51

you're responding to a different post genius CreekDog Jan 2012 #52

your basis for a complex ideology is a silly dictionary? provis99 Jan 2012 #34

See #23 for reasons why definitions are critical to understanding the OP. nt jody Jan 2012 #35

Socialism is not defined by the Social-Democratic Parties in Western Europe, most of which have Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #26

See #23 n/t jody Jan 2012 #31

Thanks, as someone who self-identifies as a socialist, I don't have a problem knowing what is. Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #102

who said they had all the answers to ALL our problems? CreekDog Jan 2012 #53

You are wrong. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #42

I simply pointed out that socialism has different meanings. n/t jody Jan 2012 #44

Those "other meanings" are the result of ignorance and lies. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #45

Have a great evening and goodbye. n/t jody Jan 2012 #46

Perhaps you don't know what it is. Hawkowl Jan 2012 #106

See # 8 and #23 nt jody Jan 2012 #110

But all those people in government provided rascal scooters oh08dem Jan 2012 #3

IMO, they stopped listening about Ron Paul after they heard "legalize drugs." nt justiceischeap Jan 2012 #5

Classic bait-and-switch oh08dem Jan 2012 #11

I reaped the benefits of capitalism, but I've also been burned by it ... I was RKP5637 Jan 2012 #9

When the RW called Obama a socialist throughout the entire campaign, I said... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #10

Totally made up numbers in the OP former9thward Jan 2012 #14

You posted 2010's poll numbers, not 2011's. marmar Jan 2012 #15

I posted the poll the link went to. former9thward Jan 2012 #17

why would a statistician laugh? 211 is a perfectly valid sample. provis99 Jan 2012 #38

No it is not. former9thward Jan 2012 #55

you don't know what you're talking about. provis99 Jan 2012 #105

Let me dumb it down for you. former9thward Jan 2012 #108

so 6% of conservative Republicans and 12% of Tea Partiers are pro-socialist? Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #74

I think it's crass to accuse the OP of "made up numbers" tkmorris Jan 2012 #16

It's not a mistake. The post you're responding to used the 2010 poll numbers, the OP uses 2011's. marmar Jan 2012 #18

I see that now, and thank you for the correction tkmorris Jan 2012 #20

Do you think 211 young people represent all young people in the U.S.? former9thward Jan 2012 #21

I am accusing the "PSL presidential candidate Peta Lindsay" of making things up. former9thward Jan 2012 #19

Went back and reread your post tkmorris Jan 2012 #22

No 211 people does not represent tens of millions in that category. former9thward Jan 2012 #54

The Pew report, see #23, says the following: jody Jan 2012 #64

Notice they don't say what the MOE is for young people. former9thward Jan 2012 #68

Exactly and the MOE is certainly much more for the young people group than given. n/t jody Jan 2012 #71

well you used a different poll to say the OP lied about the current poll CreekDog Jan 2012 #72

I went directly to the Pew Research website. former9thward Jan 2012 #75

if you knew anything then you would know they take lots of polls CreekDog Jan 2012 #78

The supposed 2011 poll which is not on their website former9thward Jan 2012 #82

Wrong. It's on their website. But keep dissembling... CreekDog Jan 2012 #84

Now let's recap your dissembling for the viewers at home: CreekDog Jan 2012 #86

You are incapable of replying to the substance of the poll(s). former9thward Jan 2012 #88

I'll make a deal with you...apologize to the OP or correct your initial post CreekDog Jan 2012 #91

Deal. I opologize to the OP about incorrect numers from the 2011 poll. former9thward Jan 2012 #95

they only provided MOE for the largest subgroups CreekDog Jan 2012 #96

I think everybody can see that you actually don't care to discuss the poll with me CreekDog Jan 2012 #94

it's not crass, it's calculated and dishonest CreekDog Jan 2012 #85

wrong poll CreekDog Jan 2012 #69

Right and 6% of conservative Rs and 12% of tea party are pro-socialist. former9thward Jan 2012 #76

quote the poll that you said you're referring to CreekDog Jan 2012 #77

See link #15 former9thward Jan 2012 #81

then why didn't you apologize to the OP for saying they "made up" numbers? CreekDog Jan 2012 #87

I don't care what you think about my credibilily former9thward Jan 2012 #89

but you made the accusation without even knowing what the poll said CreekDog Jan 2012 #90

You think 211 "young people" representing the nation is "solid"? former9thward Jan 2012 #98

Why did you criticize the poll BEFORE READING IT??? CreekDog Jan 2012 #99

I went to the Pew site and put 'young people socialism' in their search. former9thward Jan 2012 #109

Where did the poll say "young people support socialism"? --because it did not CreekDog Jan 2012 #112

THE Pew report �Little Change in Public's Response to 'Capitalism,' 'Socialism'� is at jody Jan 2012 #23

"Tea Party" isn't defined. Does that mean you don't have a clue what it is? provis99 Jan 2012 #36

Have a great evening and goodbye. n/t jody Jan 2012 #37

you say "good bye" when someone challenges you CreekDog Jan 2012 #70

I agree... the poll is useless Earthbound Misfit Jan 2012 #65

Hallelujah, I was beginning to think no one would understand the point I was trying to make. n/t jody Jan 2012 #66

Being familiar with the politics of the PSL I am not a fan, but I must admit that's a good article. Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #25

Answer: Because capatialism is killing them? workinclasszero Jan 2012 #39

Perhaps because they are too young to remember what a blended economy looked like markpkessinger Jan 2012 #40

Probably because they were born past the red-baiting era. Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #41

Boy I sure grew up with it The Genealogist Jan 2012 #56

That does sound rather unique. Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #58

We Millennials are too young to remember the Cold War, and so... Odin2005 Jan 2012 #43

"Socialism" is as broad a term as "democracy." David__77 Jan 2012 #48

I think socialism can be defined in many ways fujiyama Jan 2012 #57

Because sociopathic whackjobs are always attacking the concept? eridani Jan 2012 #59

My brother calls the notion of public goods socialist_n_TN Jan 2012 #61

Why do old people favor socialism? ananda Jan 2012 #60

Old people (65+) are the LEAST favorable towards socialism... Earthbound Misfit Jan 2012 #73

Because it is the only equitable way ronnie624 Jan 2012 #62

Because many parts of the system that keeps our country running Rex Jan 2012 #63

Because young people (18-29) are less knowledgeable about current affairs, politics etc. than most Earthbound Misfit Jan 2012 #67

and yet they show more intelligence in their voting CreekDog Jan 2012 #80

That they are less informed is more than an "idea" - it's data Earthbound Misfit Jan 2012 #92

you're actually the one making the mistake about "socialism" CreekDog Jan 2012 #93

You can ask 100 people "what is socialism?" Earthbound Misfit Jan 2012 #97

That's not what the poll says --it doesn't say people have a "high opinion" of socialism CreekDog Jan 2012 #101

OK have it your way... Earthbound Misfit Jan 2012 #103

Wow, this poll result has sure brought out the Republicans and their apologists here CreekDog Jan 2012 #79

Well, if they keep calling President Obama a "Socialist" Fool Count Jan 2012 #83

People certainly get vulgar... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #100

The closer one is to either end of the spectrum, the more emphasis there is on "fairness" SoCalDem Jan 2012 #104

""A man who is not a communist at the age of twenty is a fool. Any man who is still communist at the pampango Jan 2012 #107

Those age 30 and under (and some a little older) have been hit hard by the current crisis. Dawson Leery Jan 2012 #111