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Tom Rinaldo

(23,179 posts)
22. Just a friendly rejoinder...
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:57 PM
Sep 2012

Clark's low point as a Presidential candidate was in early December 2003, after his campaign got off to a rocky start to great media expectations of him. He had fallen far in the polls as a result, but a funny thing happened. He went to New Hampshire and started connecting with people at Town Hall meetings and such. He began to rise in polls again, expecially in New Hampshire. Except by then the national media was ignoring him. Joanne Woodward's Inside Politics show, for example, refused to even mention his name once for well over a month lasting well into January - (it was fact checked at the time). People were shocked when Clark raised the most money of any Democratic candidate (Dean included) from a grassroots funding campaign in January - but they still didn't give him the time of day.

Clark came from well behing in NH to tying Kerry for second place in the polls there. In 2004 no one was giving credit to Democrats who had to compete against Dean and Kerry who were based in neighboring states to New Hampshire and who had been getting tons of free media coverage inside of NH for years (Kerry for example got beamed into NH of MA TV stations). THIS year everyone acted like it was natural to assume Romney was untouchable in NH because of his neighbor state advantage and pundits only looked to see who would come in second and third to him.

Anyway Clark had been moving past Kerry in January and was closing on Dean when a strategic error (pushed on him by the skilled politicos while Clark was still very much a novice) bit him in the ass. Due to his late entry in the race Clark skipped competing in Iowa. 2004 became the year when the 24 hour news cycle covered Iowa as if it were the Democratic Convention - giving scant attention to New Hampshire in the run up to the Ipowa caucus. Kerry bet all his marbles on campaigning in Iowa where he would not be facing Clark and he bet well, cornering the national security minded voters in Iowa during a war year campaign. Kerry won Iowa which polished up his his NH star, and Democrats there who had mostly always liked Kerry returned to him with new confidence.. The media went gaga over John Edwards for coming in second over Howard Dean in Iowa, and they devoted lots of press to mocking Dean.

The final week before the NH primary the media was all over Dean fading and Kerry and Edwards rising. They ignored Clark except for when Clark refused to throw Michael Moore (who had endorsed Clark at a NH rally) under the bus for saying Bush was a a war evader when he was in the National Guard. The media was in love with John Edwards. So when the NH results came in two New Englanders came in first and second, Kerry and Dean. Clark came in third, Edwards came in fourth. That changed nothing. The media never missed a beat and continued to cover the race as if it had shrunken to a two man race; Kerry and Edwards, with whatever other coverage space left devoted to ridiculing Dean and his "collapse."

Clark fininshed second to Kerry in New Mexico and I think Arizona (ahead of Edwards, Dean, Lieberman etc) the next week but Edwards rode home field advantage and wind in his sails home to victory in South Carolina. The media gave Clark no credit, and never did thereafter even though he came in second in some other primaries and won Oklahoma - all while being written off and ignored by the press.

Clark may not have set the world on fire as a candidate in 2004 (or in late 2003 to be more precise) but he had a steep learning curve and was doing pretty damn well out there on the campaign trail once January hit Iowa and the media fascination with John Edwards killed is chances, but he his race was not in any way a disaster. Clark ultimately did better than Dean, Gephardt, and Lieberman (who back then was still viewed as the Democrat who had run with Al Gore for VP) He was not a flash in the pan candidate like a Fred Thompson or Rick Perry.

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Thanks. Sorry I missed it. elleng Sep 2012 #1
He's a Rhodes Scholar, a West Point graduate, and a former 4-star General. LibGranny Sep 2012 #20
He's likely at least as smart as B. Clinton and PrezO. elleng Sep 2012 #21
Also post Master's Degree from Oxford, he was selected as a prestigious White House Fellow aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #45
Former SUPREME ALLIED COMMANDER! Odin2005 Sep 2012 #47
I think a lot of Clark Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #2
That's how I feel too. I'm not wild about some of what he does but he's a smart commentator. nolabear Sep 2012 #4
Same here, Tom. elleng Sep 2012 #5
+1 more bahrbearian Sep 2012 #9
I think highly of Wesley Clark, too, Tom. pacalo Sep 2012 #12
Well put Tom, agree 100% JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #63
He said it was important to work with the new Democracies aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #3
He was excellent... Spazito Sep 2012 #6
Right, Spaz. No one better. elleng Sep 2012 #7
I'm glad to see him appearing more now too. Mr_Jefferson_24 Sep 2012 #8
REALLY, Mr_Jefferson, elleng Sep 2012 #10
I was there that night. It was an amazing evening Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #11
And I naively thought... Mr_Jefferson_24 Sep 2012 #44
Yes, it should have been MAJOR news, elleng Sep 2012 #55
I wonder if this is some indication he might be in the running for Hillary's job. GoCubsGo Sep 2012 #13
Interesting thought... Spazito Sep 2012 #14
I always thought he'd wind up at Defense or State jaysunb Sep 2012 #17
After SecDef and State, elleng Sep 2012 #23
I think he's been on the bench waiting for the 2nd term. jaysunb Sep 2012 #31
'I have no doubt' and 'At least I hope he will' elleng Sep 2012 #36
thrown under the bus along ago. i don't know why. Very sad, a wasted talent for out country. northoftheborder Sep 2012 #65
I'm hoping Obama will ask him. Ilsa Sep 2012 #18
I want him as Sec. of Defense in Obama's 2nd term. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #48
Obama is pursuing the same policy attacking the countries Clark mentioned in the order JDPriestly Sep 2012 #58
Romeny's response was dictated by his POLITICAL advisers. speedoo Sep 2012 #15
When these types of crisis are the subject matter, madaboutharry Sep 2012 #16
He should be SoS when Ilsa Sep 2012 #19
I'd like Kerry, but after the whole Kennedy/Brown fiasco... Drunken Irishman Sep 2012 #26
Just a friendly rejoinder... Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #22
i am still in mourning :) roguevalley Sep 2012 #25
THANKS for refreshing everyone on Wes' history, Tom, elleng Sep 2012 #27
The Stinky/Sparkly house was CHEERING at that small victory. Stinky The Clown Sep 2012 #49
We Clarkies were HYSTERICAL!!! elleng Sep 2012 #50
I gave $$ to his campaign. Doctor_J Sep 2012 #29
to add graham4anything Sep 2012 #32
Graham was my first donation, graham! elleng Sep 2012 #52
He is a great person who should have gone further graham4anything Sep 2012 #60
A real shame. elleng Sep 2012 #66
I still have his N.H. pancake breakfast event on an old vcr tape. NCarolinawoman Sep 2012 #42
Right, NC, 'I'll kick his ass!!!' elleng Sep 2012 #51
Clark would have made a much better candidate than Kerry mykpart Sep 2012 #54
I think so too, mykpart, elleng Sep 2012 #56
I agree. Did Clark participate in the debates? JDPriestly Sep 2012 #59
He missed the first two or three, then took part Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #64
I heard Clark speak in a small forum. He was great. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #70
You have to see his. I kept having to remind myself that he was talking about BushCo. savannah43 Sep 2012 #24
Ray McGovern is very insightful, intelligent and honest. In my opinion, however, JDPriestly Sep 2012 #61
People in the military Aerows Sep 2012 #28
I met General Clark at a tribute for his wife Gert in 2006. Bill Clinton was there too.... Rowdyboy Sep 2012 #30
I shared a dinner table w/ them at the 2004 jaysunb Sep 2012 #34
I saw him speak and shook his hand in 2003 when he was running aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #35
I have been hoping to see Amb. Joe Wilson grasswire Sep 2012 #33
I would really like to hear him speak about his Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #37
No grasswire Sep 2012 #39
here Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #43
I think he is scary smart, and a patriot (in the good sense) BootinUp Sep 2012 #38
He has broad knowledge and perspective KT2000 Sep 2012 #40
Even if Obama hadn't known what was going on, he wouldn't have run before Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 #41
WES! WES! WES! Odin2005 Sep 2012 #46
Boy this little thread sure took on a life of its own. Good! I learned a lot. nolabear Sep 2012 #53
where is the original link to see the interview? jrsantanas Sep 2012 #57
Wesley Clark from 2007 - the neocon Foreign Policy coup Ian62 Sep 2012 #62
Wes interview w Hannity, largely about Egypt. elleng Sep 2012 #67
And on ABC This Week: elleng Sep 2012 #68
Wes on ABC Video, about economy: elleng Sep 2012 #69
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