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Doodley

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8. Why not take her words in good faith, instead of looking for the worst possible

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 10:31 PM

Jun 2020

interpretation? I can't see how this is "targeting trans people" or should be compared to racism. In fact, how dare anyone say she hates trans people? How dare anyone question her integrity based on this Tweet?

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LGBT orgs are speaking out about JK Rowlings [View all] FreeState Jun 2020 OP

K&R Jamastiene Jun 2020 #1

Maybe her words weren't sensitive, but I don't see anything hateful. Beakybird Jun 2020 #2

This is the first that I have heard about her having such issues. Blue_true Jun 2020 #21

She has repeatedly said that trans women aren't real women sweetloukillbot Jun 2020 #25

Her view is stupid. A person's gender is how they are born at birth. Blue_true Jun 2020 #56

What are you trying to say here? PTWB Jun 2020 #60

That a Trans woman or a Trans man are the gender that they identify as, and Blue_true Jun 2020 #61

I'd like you to source that. PTWB Jun 2020 #63

This is part of a broader issue related to the gender self-recognition act janterry Jun 2020 #29

There's more to it than simply "self-declaring." yardwork Jun 2020 #49

In fact rusty fender Jun 2020 #58

"Destroying Title IX" is a very strong statement. yardwork Jun 2020 #64

Allowing biological males rusty fender Jun 2020 #70

The term "biological males" is problematic. yardwork Jun 2020 #72

How so? rusty fender Jun 2020 #76

Not everybody fits into these neat categories. yardwork Jun 2020 #77

Correct rusty fender Jun 2020 #79

And The More RobinA Jun 2020 #102

Absolutely rusty fender Jun 2020 #103

I can solve this problem: get rid of competitive sports in high school and college. hunter Jun 2020 #85

That would definitely solve it rusty fender Jun 2020 #97

Is this alarmist propaganda or is this legitimate? PTWB Jun 2020 #65

To me, it sounds like the same type of alarmist propaganda behind bathroom bills. yardwork Jun 2020 #66

Absolutely rusty fender Jun 2020 #67

Actually Happened In CT ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #87

What do you say it "means to be a woman"? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #69

Thanks for the context and the link Blasphemer Jun 2020 #71

Rowling has been making transphobic comments on social media for years. yardwork Jun 2020 #37

She's got priors. (n/t) Iggo Jun 2020 #84

She says right in her post she supports trans people ... PTWB Jun 2020 #3

Did you miss the last tweet in my post? FreeState Jun 2020 #5

So do you conclude that she is a homophobic and a liar when she says she Doodley Jun 2020 #10

There are many people that are transphobic FreeState Jun 2020 #14

Mostly When RobinA Jun 2020 #104

I know and love trans people... PTWB Jun 2020 #11

Not if you say that after something extremely transphobic n/t FreeState Jun 2020 #16

How is, to paraphrase, saying sex is real and it is important to women around the world, "extremely Doodley Jun 2020 #18

It's in the OP FreeState Jun 2020 #20

It is not in the OP. PTWB Jun 2020 #22

When you say that people who menstruate are called women, Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #26

Why Can't We Have RobinA Jun 2020 #105

Are you willing to declare yourself a cis-woman every time you declare your gender? Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #110

The last few weeks have been instructive on this and other areas Blue_Adept Jun 2020 #38

Thank you for your posts and support. yardwork Jun 2020 #47

In a way, I blame myself as a pebble that instead of speaking up, just left Blue_Adept Jun 2020 #50

We are definitely a sad shell of our former community. yardwork Jun 2020 #51

"She says right in her post she supports trans people." Apparently her words don't matter. Oh hang Doodley Jun 2020 #13

She Doesn't Mean RobinA Jun 2020 #107

This isn't her only controversy JonLP24 Jun 2020 #98

I will wait until she responds to these allegations Miigwech Jun 2020 #4

No need to hold your fire. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #27

Explain why her quote is "bigoted nonsense." Which part is "bigoted nonsense?" Doodley Jun 2020 #30

She's referring to a woman who said she doesn't believe it's possible to change genders and WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #53

The woman wasn't fired sweetloukillbot Jun 2020 #57

Okay. But yes, misgendering is bigoted and supporting it is also bigoted. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #68

Do you mean Maya Forstater? janterry Jun 2020 #74

This has been an ongoing issue with her for several years Blue_Adept Jun 2020 #39

Confusing sex and gender for the win JK Buzz cook Jun 2020 #6

She's a TERFy mess. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #7

Why not take her words in good faith, instead of looking for the worst possible Doodley Jun 2020 #8

So all these LGBT organizations are wrong? FreeState Jun 2020 #9

Yes, they are wrong to say what she does or doesn't believe, and why would organizations Doodley Jun 2020 #12

They quoted her words n/t FreeState Jun 2020 #15

I will ask again, why would your opinion of JK Rowling be shaped by organizations? Doodley Jun 2020 #17

Excuse me? My opinion of her statement is formed by FreeState Jun 2020 #19

JK Rowling has been targeted for years, first for not making any characters Doodley Jun 2020 #33

That's complete nonsense. It just is. yardwork Jun 2020 #48

Let's not deal in facts. Doodley Jun 2020 #90

There is no wiggle room in the interpretation; Rowling is a transphobic bigot Tarc Jun 2020 #73

I grew up having a narrow definition of gender drilled into my head. Blue_true Jun 2020 #23

See post 29 in this thread. Rowling's statements are not random. yardwork Jun 2020 #52

What is her mission? Maybe explaining that more thoroughly would help a lot of people Blue_true Jun 2020 #54

Did you read post 29 in this thread? It's clear, I think. yardwork Jun 2020 #55

I hadn't read post 29. But your second paragraph in the post you Blue_true Jun 2020 #59

She lost good faith after the first couple of years of doing this Blue_Adept Jun 2020 #40

The lived reality of women globally is not erased by Trans relationships njhoneybadger Jun 2020 #24

But she has never said she objects to trans relationships. In fact, she has embraced all Doodley Jun 2020 #32

There are two kinds of people MurrayDelph Jun 2020 #28

Well put. If denial means non-denial, then we are all at risk of being accused. Doodley Jun 2020 #31

People either believe in the liberal principles of equality for all Hortensis Jun 2020 #34

Agreed 100% and JK Rowling has made it clear that she shares those same values. Doodley Jun 2020 #35

Okay. I wouldn't know and don't care. She has the right to speak, Hortensis Jun 2020 #36

I wish I could say I am surprised by this thead dsc Jun 2020 #41

Human Rights Campaign Blue_Adept Jun 2020 #42

Medium: JK Rowling Confirms Stance Against Transgender Women Blue_Adept Jun 2020 #43

The Mary Sue: J.K. Rowling Leaves Little Doubt About Her TERFdom Blue_Adept Jun 2020 #44

lgbtqnation: The mysterious case of J.K. Rowling & her transphobic Twitter history Blue_Adept Jun 2020 #45

nytimes: How British Feminism Became Anti-Trans Blue_Adept Jun 2020 #46

Thanks for adding these FreeState Jun 2020 #81

And I made sure to only grab things pre-2019 so that it wasn't "just in the now" Blue_Adept Jun 2020 #96

She's been a TERF for a long time, what a worthless human being. n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2020 #62

Who are you to judge what JK Rowling believes? She's made it very clear that a Doodley Jun 2020 #89

A thinking person, and no it is not, if she would be quiet, it would be different... Humanist_Activist Jun 2020 #94

This isn't the first time is correct JonLP24 Jun 2020 #100

"Sex and gender" aren't exclusively binary? Azathoth Jun 2020 #75

So everyone is born with a penis or a vagina FreeState Jun 2020 #82

So if you are a trans person, or a non-binary person Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #83

If such criticism pushes people to the right, then they were already there. n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2020 #95

honestly BGBD Jun 2020 #78

Do you feel that celebrities' racist statements are similarly unimportant? yardwork Jun 2020 #80

yes BGBD Jun 2020 #86

She's simply another target to hate. A few weeks ago, it was Madonna's son because he Doodley Jun 2020 #88

This is what I can't stand... BGBD Jun 2020 #92

She is not a target of hate JonLP24 Jun 2020 #99

How'd she get herself into this? treestar Jun 2020 #91

I think JK has some learning to do mvd Jun 2020 #93

Don't agree zak247 Jun 2020 #101

are you fucking kidding? obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #106

How is JK Rowling forcing her lifestyle on anyone? She has been targeted for years, starting with Doodley Jun 2020 #108

No its not okay zak247 Jun 2020 #109