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Sunsky

(1,876 posts)
39. BS
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 08:08 AM
Jun 2020

There's no hijacking of the effort. It was born out of the black lives matter movement, so Kurt may not be able to understand it. He speaks for many of course because he's a part of the majority. I love Kurt but sometimes it pays to just sit and listen. I know he's of Jewish background but that isn't worn on the outside of the skin, so people won't judge you just by looking at you. I was vocally in support of him when he was targeted on twitter but I disagree with him on this.
Did Eichenwald know that many in the black community are fearful of calling the police even when they need them? How wonderful for you to feel safe when you are robbed, that the police won't come and assume that you are the robber and you end up dead. It must be nice to have the peace of mind that the police will do their jobs and the perpetrators will be brought to justice. Some of us do not have that luxury. Some of us call the police and end up dying. Some of our neighbors call the police out of concern for us and we end up dying at their hands while playing video games.
The defund the police movement is not a remove the police movement. It is about diverting some of the money from policing to rehabilitation programs and the restoration of black and other minority communities. The defund the police movement is not just a slogan, it is taking into consideration the years of abuse and mistreatment of African Americans at the hands of those who were supposed to be protecting and serving us.
The black community is thinking beyond one election, the systemic problem has been ongoing for many years and under both parties. Change is a must. One of the many reasons I loved Hillary is that criminal justice reform was one of her key platforms. I believe Hillary would've tried to make substantive changes. This systemic problem has been in place despite who is in power. Think about how this is psychologically impacting the black community. Witnessing our brothers and sisters dying simply because of their skin color and also wonder when will it come to our doorsteps? We have gotten a few cities to rethink their policing budgets and that's a start. We are fighting for our lives. If Democrats continue to behave like this issue is only about this election cycle and not about the lives of black people, this will create division and suppress votes in minority communities.

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I agree 100% Nevilledog Jun 2020 #1
That makes three of us blueinredohio Jun 2020 #2
Add me to the list. Brother Mythos Jun 2020 #23
Absolutely right. Reform the police. Demilitarize them The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #3
Yes, reform the police pattyloutwo Jun 2020 #24
Biden isn't saying "defund the police." Don't you fret about it. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #4
Don't Know Who Started It, But... Aviation91 Jun 2020 #5
The DC branch of Black Lives Matter might have been the first. pnwmom Jun 2020 #7
BLM needs to discuss that with BrightKnight Jun 2020 #32
Saving this, was going to O.P. asking for the origin. And agree here with almost all of this thread UTUSN Jun 2020 #73
This had to have been started by the wing nuts Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #6
Our messaging ability has always been horrible. Blue_true Jun 2020 #29
I think it was Black Lives Matter LeftInTX Jun 2020 #51
I agree that "defund the police" Progressive dog Jun 2020 #8
Get rid of it, quick. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2020 #9
the hardcore activist sphere will never listen to mainstream Democrats telling them what to do Celerity Jun 2020 #58
It's badly expressed and foolish if taken literally, but I think it will work out well. gulliver Jun 2020 #10
It would be a terrible slogan for an election, and we're only 5 months away from November. pnwmom Jun 2020 #13
It's the term "Defund Police". It's the kind of self-inflicted injury we ridicule Trump Mike 03 Jun 2020 #11
Cut their budget marginally! maxsolomon Jun 2020 #12
Get rid of the excessive militarization. Blue_true Jun 2020 #27
Business calls it "restructuring." hunter Jun 2020 #14
Then maybe more thought should have gone into our phrase. Blue_true Jun 2020 #28
Why aren't Dems calling to Restructure the Police instead of Defund the Police? pnwmom Jun 2020 #33
They are..... marmar Jun 2020 #37
The "defunding the police" stuff is really dumb DIVINEprividence Jun 2020 #15
It is like "Democratic Socialism" DIVINEprividence Jun 2020 #16
Totally agreed Dopers_Greed Jun 2020 #17
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jun 2020 #18
self-sabotaging branding AlexSFCA Jun 2020 #19
I agree. Let's have a much better message. Pepsidog Jun 2020 #20
Totally Agree.. Cha Jun 2020 #21
Let me guess tiptonic Jun 2020 #22
Kurt Eichenwald is totally full of shit melman Jun 2020 #25
"Defund the police" is a slogan that could cost us the election. Some of us don't care about that pnwmom Jun 2020 #30
So you're saying BLM is trying to torpedo the election melman Jun 2020 #44
I'm saying they're tone deaf and the Defund the Police brand would be used against us. pnwmom Jun 2020 #45
Tone deaf! melman Jun 2020 #46
They either don't understand how that term will be understood by 90% of people pnwmom Jun 2020 #48
So they don't understand or care and you know better melman Jun 2020 #50
I know better than you do, that's clear. n/t pnwmom Jun 2020 #53
This is isn't about me melman Jun 2020 #55
You're twisting my words. That's your specialty. nt pnwmom Jun 2020 #57
I certainly am not melman Jun 2020 #60
I totally agree. "Defund the Police" is such a galactically stupid phrase. Blue_true Jun 2020 #26
Restructure, rebuild failing or failed departments but BrightKnight Jun 2020 #31
Agree with this horrible messaging superpatriotman Jun 2020 #34
Sadly very few have put for an explanation of "Defund the police", and those that try... George II Jun 2020 #35
Bravo Sen. Harris Sunsky Jun 2020 #40
And what happens when an autistic person is shot by a robber? pnwmom Jun 2020 #42
You're reaching here Sunsky Jun 2020 #52
No, I'm not. "DEFUND THE POLICE" are words with literal meanings. pnwmom Jun 2020 #54
Was your response to my post Sunsky Jun 2020 #65
I don't care what their INTENTIONS are. I care about the PLAIN MEANING of the stupid slogan. pnwmom Jun 2020 #67
I don't care Sunsky Jun 2020 #69
Yes, the bottom line is that life matters. Unfortunately, the words that you don't care about pnwmom Jun 2020 #71
The "misguided" slogan Sunsky Jun 2020 #76
+++It's an absolutely ridiculous slogan. Trump is already deliberately calling it "disband" R B Garr Jun 2020 #36
It's frustrating that so many people respond to "defund the police" or "abolish the police" WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #38
BS Sunsky Jun 2020 #39
I know what the origin is and that doesn't make the slogan smart. pnwmom Jun 2020 #41
I don't believe your figures but Sunsky Jun 2020 #63
I get what it says. pwb Jun 2020 #43
When most people hear "defund the police" that would include the county sheriff pnwmom Jun 2020 #47
So then what we have is not a messaging problem... Caliman73 Jun 2020 #56
THAT IS THE POINT. A poor, easily misunderstood slogan is a messaging problem pnwmom Jun 2020 #59
That is fine. Biden needs to run his campaign. Caliman73 Jun 2020 #61
LOL. We can't force voters to "work on their critical thinking skills." pnwmom Jun 2020 #62
OR... and this is just a stab in the dark... Caliman73 Jun 2020 #68
I think of local city police. pwb Jun 2020 #64
I don't know of any of our party leaders who are supporting that. Kaleva Jun 2020 #49
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2020 #66
The Republican attack ads are ready. Defund the Police superimposed over video of looters jalan48 Jun 2020 #70
+1000. nt pnwmom Jun 2020 #72
Speaking of videos melman Jun 2020 #74
Yes, those videos are awful and the police responsible should be held accountable. However, jalan48 Jun 2020 #75
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