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In reply to the discussion: Just came home from church and we are furious! [View all]BarackTheVote
(938 posts)158. Don't let them chase you out! Christ was the original bleeding heart liberal!
I started going to this Catholic youth group Life Teen when I was 13 or 14; by the time I was 15, I was on their junior core as their webmaster. I remained part of the core off and on for the next twelve years, mostly during the summer when I was off from College. In March, I think it was, our Bishop gained national notoriety for calling Catholics who voted for candidates who voted in favor of abortion "Judas Iscariots." Obviously, this is one of the worst things you can call a Catholic, and it reeked of politicking and, indeed, bullying. I stopped contributing to the local parish and went off on Jenky on my facebook:
Dear Bishop Jenky, I will not be bullied. I will vote my conscience. I will not kowtow to plutocrats who wish to destroy the middle class and create a nation of indentured slaves. I will not succumb to fear-mongers who would have us at war with the entire world and every culture beyond their delicate WASP sensibilities. You are socially irresponsible. You are alienating the people who will only hear the Gospel if spoken with the gentle, all-loving voice of Christ. The world you would have us build will be a dystopia far more horrifying than whatever you think you perceive today. You would create a world of fear and desperation. Abortion is a symptom of a disease that would only fester and metastasize in your world. We strike at the core illness, poverty of body, mind, and spirit; we uplift and grant freedom, we lay the foundation of Maslow's Hierarchy of Need, which, unlike the Catholic hierarchy, is something everyone, regardless of race, culture, or creed, abides. You will destroy the Church in America just as your predecessors destroyed the Church in France. Secularism thrives where your type of rhetoric prevails and people will shut you off and leave the altar en masse. I for one will stay. A Catholic Democrat, as disgusting as that might be for you.
Well, for that, I was unceremoniously kicked out of the youth group I had spent more than a decade helping and supporting, undefended by my so-called friends on the core. But I'm not going anywhere. I still believe in the sacraments, the communion of saints, the core dogmas, the historicity of the Catholic claim, and the social justice doctrines. I think the hierarchy is going through another period where it's on the wrong side of history, but they're just men. The Church is bigger than them. Eventually, I believe, the Church will get back on track, but only if the progressive laity stands firm and doesn't allow itself to be driven away. After all, we are ALL priests, prophets, and kings, and we all have a part in the ultimate direction in which the Church walks into the future.
Christ was the original Bleeding Heart Liberal:
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I think it should be turned in anyway. They are immune if we don't sop them.
The Wielding Truth
Sep 2012
#72
I read this thread, mailed it to a friend... piddled a bit and when I recced it a few minutes
2on2u
Sep 2012
#10
Political pulpiteering drives me up the wall. Radio fundies run propaganda from ministers, IRS won't
UTUSN
Sep 2012
#12
One time I was sitting way too up front near the altar and the priest went on and on about birth
monmouth
Sep 2012
#20
I left the church in 1969 because of birth control. A priest told me to take valium to
virgogal
Sep 2012
#143
The Church was none to happy with Kerry's stance on birth control and pro choice.
unapatriciated
Sep 2012
#133
Sigh . . . the politically naive get so USED!! & FAIL on so much else besides their own narrow
patrice
Sep 2012
#152
When they decided to go political, they went straight, without a blink, into the gutter. Disgusting.
freshwest
Sep 2012
#25
Good it's a pdf so that it can be saved on various computers for posterity. n/t
progressivebydesign
Sep 2012
#68
Gray-Haired Brigade- Provided as a free service by Tom Hoefling - tomhoefling@gmail.com SelfGover
crunch60
Sep 2012
#172
Write to the IRS and provide the proof that they need their tax exempt status revoked. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2012
#36
This tells me they are getting some of their bulletin reports from a central source.
Cleita
Sep 2012
#99
Of course. Discriminatory patriarchal monarchies always speak out against equality and fairness.
geckosfeet
Sep 2012
#39
Yeah and I'd add that if people are pro-life they need to be even more against
treestar
Sep 2012
#41
That I don't know; but the Catholic church does get faith-based gov. funds, like socialism.
freshwest
Sep 2012
#198
Send the writer of that bulletin some fact checking of Lyan's speeches and ask him why those do not
Overseas
Sep 2012
#50
remember the Bishop Sheridan who wanted to excommunicate Obama voters in 08'.. that's my guy...
trailmonkee
Sep 2012
#59
Was he the same one that refused to let Kerry have communion in 2004??
progressivebydesign
Sep 2012
#84
Save the bulletin. Proof that their church should lose their tax exemption..
Auntie Bush
Sep 2012
#64
Everyone tithes and pays together for the parish's expenses so why isn't he against that?
Lex
Sep 2012
#65
You need to send this to the IRS-The only way we have to combat the political messaging in Churches
jillan
Sep 2012
#74
Excellent action. Religious people in other countries can't do that without becoming a target of
jody
Sep 2012
#77
Just read it on their site and saved the pdf. "the LIKES of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi"
progressivebydesign
Sep 2012
#78
Another parish did that and I think their diocese made them issue a retraction.
Tigress DEM
Sep 2012
#82
Now that you put it that way, yeah...I'll take it as a compliment, given the church's history.
classof56
Sep 2012
#193
I know what you mean. It's the same reason I cannot go to the Baptist congregation at the end
davidwparker
Sep 2012
#91
Churches are allowed to preach & advocate on the issues. But not for or against a specific candidate
progree
Sep 2012
#105
Understand your anger but in context it’s caused by a portion of the program attributed to the Gray
jody
Sep 2012
#110
Isn't it odd that an agency that is supposed to care about social issues
Live and Learn
Sep 2012
#124
Scan the sermon, post it here, and we'll all send it to the IRS, so they can't miss it. (nt)
Indpndnt
Sep 2012
#125
I've had several in-person discussions with a few ministers and priests whom
just1voice
Sep 2012
#126
Good show. Action needs to be taken against that church....................nft
plethoro
Sep 2012
#128
If you could get a list of every church involved, you could take a huge GOP network down
MessiahRp
Sep 2012
#217
You should also forward a copy to Americans United for Separation of Church & State....
lastlib
Sep 2012
#134
+1google! - Any and all of them & post it everywhere on the internet with appropriate cites.
patrice
Sep 2012
#153
Not only are they playing politics, but they're LYING to their parishioners.
SunSeeker
Sep 2012
#150
You need to write first to the media and then your elected respresentatives and THEN
VPStoltz
Sep 2012
#155
Don't let them chase you out! Christ was the original bleeding heart liberal!
BarackTheVote
Sep 2012
#158
Good for you!! The Catholic Church has long ago forgotten about separation of
crunch60
Sep 2012
#160
Will you be telling your church you will no longer be attending or giving them moeny?
Marrah_G
Sep 2012
#168
I also stopped going to church (Methodist) because of all the hate and lies "in the name of Jesus"
emsimon33
Sep 2012
#180
Many of us have parted ways with the church, so many churches have become a very negative
RKP5637
Sep 2012
#201
Also need to complain to the IRS regarding tax exempt status stature being violated.
rasputinkhlyst
Sep 2012
#203
You wouldn't be furious coming home from church...if you didn't go to begin with....
RagAss
Sep 2012
#205
You should sue him for using your tithings for political partisanship which is clearly
Lionessa
Sep 2012
#209
Contact the parish priest first and find out if he even knows that this is in the bulletin.
xmas74
Sep 2012
#220