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Ghost in the Machine

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58. No, actually it was about disproving your false assertion that the offer to turn him over wasn't

Sun Sep 16, 2012, 05:47 PM

Sep 2012

serious... Do you think they actually *wanted* to get bombed? Seriously? All they asked for was concrete proof of his involvement.. Bush started bombing anyways.. that's when they changed and said "hey, stop the bombing and we'll turn him over to a 3rd Country." Bush basically said fuck you, and continued to bomb... you should know yourself that der Chimpenfurher wasn't very diplomatic, just a reactionary cowboy, right?

Why didn't they ask to turn him over for one of the many of the other crimes he was already on the Top Ten Wanted for? Crimes that OBL *had* already taken credit for? That could have very easily shown whether their offer was legit or not, wouldn't you agree?

Like I said, knowing your timeline of events is important. See, I've had this discussion before, and all the other person could come up with was some circular logic. Why did OBL deny involvement? "Well.umm.. then he would have been arrested because, as per his denial, the government where he was living didn't allow those operations from their soil". So, given proof, they wouldn't have turned him over anyways, but if he admitted it they would have arrested him... does that make sense to you? It sure didn't to me.. like I said.. circular logic. Actually failed circular logic.

Peace,

Ghost

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