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19. Consider the fact

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 07:09 PM

Jun 2020

that two decades of war in Afghanistan and Iraq has produced nearly a generation of police recruits who were under attack virtually every minute of every day that they left the barracks. Their minds go back to the war that they fought, and guide their activities on American streets.

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Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police [View all] WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 OP

Welcome To Four More Years Of Trump, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #1

Yep. I can't believe that some think this will help jimfields33 Jun 2020 #4

Same folks who thought rebranding our party as a socialist party was a good idea BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #104

You've got that right. LuvNewcastle Jun 2020 #164

Exactly. treestar Jun 2020 #177

Stop misgendering me. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #10

As You Wish, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2020 #18

Many of those who talk about abolishing the police have been working on the position for years, and WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #26

I Support Disbanding The Minneapolis Department, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2020 #39

"it's also something that takes years of work" - and that's why "abolish the police" is useless muriel_volestrangler Jun 2020 #113

Well Said, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #120

"Build a fair society" means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #121

But we live in our current society, not some idealised one of the future muriel_volestrangler Jun 2020 #123

Ha. Tipperary Jun 2020 #106

Oh for the love of God.. attack the moderates again.. first of all lets us get Biden elected Peacetrain Jun 2020 #45

"Oh for the love of God.. attack the moderates again.." WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #48

Agreed customerserviceguy Jun 2020 #16

And At Present, Sir, Most Of 'Middle America' Thinks The Police Need Policing The Magistrate Jun 2020 #28

Defund, dismantle, discard, disband, or shit can. Magoo48 Jun 2020 #20

And this is what the Op-Ed advocates. maxsolomon Jun 2020 #24

I read it. Magoo48 Jun 2020 #84

I wasn't criticizing you. maxsolomon Jun 2020 #212

Yes. Magoo48 Jun 2020 #214

You'd be lucky if that's all it was misanthrope Jun 2020 #82

I Quite Agree, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #86

Please stop defaulting to binary gender roles Arazi Jun 2020 #83

Focus, People, Focus The Magistrate Jun 2020 #87

Your use if the word sir is super annoying. SlogginThroughIt Jun 2020 #135

To Each Their Own, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #141

Or you can stop alienating allies with archaic and insulting misgendering Arazi Jun 2020 #174

Thanks for mentioning that. I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2020 #154

How is someone supposed to know anyone's gender online? Tipperary Jun 2020 #181

And this is exactly where we are headed. redgreenandblue Jun 2020 #91

On the bright side the OP managed a whopping 12 recs grantcart Jun 2020 #155

It Is Suggestive, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #170

I am thinking that our folks have their eyes on the prize. grantcart Jun 2020 #171

Yes Indeed. Arghhh! Owl Jun 2020 #175

Exactly. If we do not win the November election then anything we do now will be futile. totodeinhere Jun 2020 #198

The rub of course is the illegal ruling known as "Heller", this unconstitutional ruling Eliot Rosewater Jun 2020 #2

I agree with you 100% Eliot. Ohiogal Jun 2020 #6

Here's the thing. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #11

Agreed...Completely...and the BULLSHIT Heller ruling which purposely IGNORES Eliot Rosewater Jun 2020 #33

There were plenty of guns before Heller. Straw Man Jun 2020 #209

Upwards of 80% of Americans agree with Heller's interpretation NickB79 Jun 2020 #15

As Tony Scalia said in Heller, one should be able to keep a PISTOL in one's home Hoyt Jun 2020 #35

Consider the fact customerserviceguy Jun 2020 #19

I'm for giving no preference to xmilitary for that very reason. Hoyt Jun 2020 #37

Can the Supreme Court sarisataka Jun 2020 #22

Actually studies show there was a higher murder rate before firearms. nt EX500rider Jun 2020 #178

Well thought out and sensible. brush Jun 2020 #25

Heller explicitly allows strict gun control hack89 Jun 2020 #85

Stop. This is a LOSING proposition and we can't afford a Trump second term. SMC22307 Jun 2020 #3

Manslaughter cops? Assault cops? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #17

Cops who show up to domestic abuse calls. Cops who secure the scene for EMTs. SMC22307 Jun 2020 #43

. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #46

... skylucy Jun 2020 #5

Just to go down this rabbit hole a bit sarisataka Jun 2020 #7

Cops rarely respond in time to stop an armed robbery in progress. So what does the victim WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #34

So if I understand sarisataka Jun 2020 #40

You're half right. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #42

The Problem With That Line, Ma'am, Is That People Often Do Behave 'Irrationally' The Magistrate Jun 2020 #47

The thing is, most violent crime *does* have a rational root. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #51

Your Aside In Closing Is Sound, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2020 #75

. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #90

We Are Going To Have To Agree To Disagree, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2020 #92

Sociopaths I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2020 #157

I Agree The Magistrate Jun 2020 #165

I can see where that applies sarisataka Jun 2020 #50

Thanks for taking my posts seriously. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #53

Many ideas are outside of the box and simply radical sarisataka Jun 2020 #58

Again, thanks for walking this out with me. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #60

What happens if I subdue the robber? Polybius Jun 2020 #62

A social worker Jose Garcia Jun 2020 #64

Hmm Polybius Jun 2020 #66

I can't tell if this is a good-faith question or not. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #68

I like the community-based crisis response team idea. We can train them, and arm them. jmg257 Jun 2020 #79

Including collective evidence treestar Jun 2020 #95

When I was in college, I lived way out in the country, and cops probably saved my life or at least cwydro Jun 2020 #179

I'm sorry that happened to you, and that your experience is being weaponized in the discussion. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #189

He didn't just "hang around". He was kicking the door, swearing, smashing the other panes in the cwydro Jun 2020 #190

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Do you agree that anyone who commits an armed robbery deserves to be apprehended and tried? totodeinhere Jun 2020 #199

If you like my posts on police abolition, wait 'til I get started on prison abolition. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #200

I would not abolish prisons outright. totodeinhere Jun 2020 #201

Interestingly, for-profit prisons are responsible for less than 10 percent of the incarcerated WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #203

And as someone who's GF was in the Fla prison system for 3 year (drug charge) EX500rider Jun 2020 #205

Better that she didn't have to be incarcerated at all, IMO. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #210

I agree but my point was most the people on DU who bad talk the private prisons.. EX500rider Jun 2020 #211

Someone will probably say if you're getting held up, "you have too much". RhodeIslandOne Jun 2020 #148

Sheesh. NO, JUST NO. Goodheart Jun 2020 #8

Your proposal is the Best solution at140 Jun 2020 #12

I see massive problems with cronyisme even worse than today. SlogginThroughIt Jun 2020 #136

This is a disastrous argument Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #9

Who's "we"? maxsolomon Jun 2020 #13

The collective left of center. Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #70

Hear Hear, Sir! The Magistrate Jun 2020 #77

The complete abolishment of police doesn't seem too popular here on DU. Sapient Donkey Jun 2020 #80

Because they will not focus long enough to understand the argument? maxsolomon Jun 2020 #213

You can't abolish the police but you can reform the police. Keep it up and Trump will win. Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #14

Minnneapolis has been reforming its police for 150 years. The result is the murder of George Floyd. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #21

Like that is the only thing they've done in 150 years treestar Jun 2020 #96

If we run on eliminating police Trump may win and we get nothing...in fact it would likely be Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #108

I don't support police abolition as an election issue. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #110

It Can, Ma'am, Be Made An Election Issue By The Enemy The Magistrate Jun 2020 #125

Republicans twist every message. I'm not interested in watering something down and doing the work WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #126

You Are Handing A Man A Knife Hilt-First, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2020 #127

Could be. You could say I did it when I worked during a presidential election year on the gay WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #138

Your Annoyance, Ma'am, Is Not The Best Measure Of Whether A Course Is Sound Or Not The Magistrate Jun 2020 #139

I'm starting to think that's the plan and the right happily picked it up Hav Jun 2020 #30

Yep, words matter. Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #107

I'm confused - abolish, or reduce by half? jmg257 Jun 2020 #23

I don't think this will get support from majority of Americans. LisaL Jun 2020 #27

Not even close to a majority on DU! GulfCoast66 Jun 2020 #41

Majority of Americans didn't approve of MLK at the time of his death, too, so. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #55

Is there proof of that? treestar Jun 2020 #99

Yes. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #100

Selective memory is a helluva drug wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #131

Sounds like some Vietnam issues there treestar Jun 2020 #156

True, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2020 #166

K&R JonLP24 Jun 2020 #29

When we lived in South Florida, marie999 Jun 2020 #31

fuck it dweller Jun 2020 #32

Argh. NurseJackie Jun 2020 #36

This. nt Tipperary Jun 2020 #183

Good long-term goal, I suppose. Are you aware of any country that has succeeded? Hoyt Jun 2020 #38

So let it gain traction ibegurpard Jun 2020 #44

You never answered my question: you see a rape in progress, an armed robbery in progress, Squinch Jun 2020 #49

Sorry, must have missed where you said this. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #54

So, let me get this straight: I am watching out my window as someone is being raped. Squinch Jun 2020 #56

The cops generally aren't great about interrupting a rape. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #59

That's a pretty disgusting answer. Squinch Jun 2020 #72

What's disgusting about it? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #73

Do we do anything about catching the rapist? Who makes the "arrest", if/when, the perp is known? jmg257 Jun 2020 #74

The social workers will track them down BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #112

Easy peasy. 700+ hours of police training is just fluff. jmg257 Jun 2020 #115

Can't do worse than the police now. wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #133

Actually you can do worse...solving 33% of cases is better then zero. nt EX500rider Jun 2020 #196

"At Delta Airlines, our pilots land the plane 33% of the time" wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #202

Somehow I don't think abolishing the Police is going to improve the stats. nt EX500rider Jun 2020 #204

The police are the ones raping women too n/t wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #206

And what % of the 800,000 sworn law enforcement officers are guilty of that exactly? nt EX500rider Jun 2020 #207

All of them, who think this is in any way okay wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #208

And there never is a shortage of low paid social workers treestar Jun 2020 #184

Curious too: Someone decides to shoot up a school/theater/mall, who answers the 911 call? jmg257 Jun 2020 #76

Social workers and an unarmed "community action team" will respond, of course BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #114

A "community crisis response team". (Aka "police") jmg257 Jun 2020 #117

Keep in mind BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #119

that stands in opposition treestar Jun 2020 #185

why not both? treestar Jun 2020 #98

Yes, that is their logic: Individual anecdotes as the excuse Hav Jun 2020 #61

It's pie in the sky nonsense BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #111

It is all those things, and we need it like we need another 4 years of Trump, but if Squinch Jun 2020 #130

Take out your 2nd amd right gun and shoot the perpetrator treestar Jun 2020 #97

No. If you're being raped or robbed or murdered you just have to grin and Squinch Jun 2020 #101

That sounds awful. EllieBC Jun 2020 #129

Author of the article already answered your question wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #132

That didn't really answer it. EllieBC Jun 2020 #140

Nobody is asking women (or anyone) to be rape victims wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #145

Lol! That's exactly what you are asking! You're demanding that the Squinch Jun 2020 #149

Highlight where I said "let's not do anything" wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #151

The part where we asked "what do you do if you are being raped?" Squinch Jun 2020 #152

Try again wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #153

You can wait all you like, and you can act as if you are making a point, but Squinch Jun 2020 #160

Cheers! wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #161

That is no answer whatsoever. If one is being raped, one should just Squinch Jun 2020 #143

Solving rapes is already a crapshoot with the police wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #144

So we won't do anything about rape, or robbery, or murder at all. Squinch Jun 2020 #146

No form of crime is ever going to be ended treestar Jun 2020 #158

Police clear less than half of violent crimes wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #159

Doctors don't save every life treestar Jun 2020 #176

Apples and Oranges wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #180

Is that realistic? treestar Jun 2020 #182

Police officers are lazy, period. wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #186

Reductions make sense to me. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #52

This position fundamentally ignores Codeine Jun 2020 #57

I agree I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2020 #162

If cops are abolished, we better not dare try to pass any gun-control Polybius Jun 2020 #63

Who would enforce any gun control laws if there were no police? Jose Garcia Jun 2020 #65

And who comes to arrest suspects in crimes? Polybius Jun 2020 #67

I've got another one, what happens if someone is doing 90 mph in a 50? Polybius Jun 2020 #69

Hee, you're onto me. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #71

NO crime, so no arrests, and so no jails. No laws, no lawyers, no judges. Its easy if you try. jmg257 Jun 2020 #81

That's a loser Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #78

Better abolish the 911 system too, no ambulance will respond to crime scene victims if it isn't safe Baclava Jun 2020 #88

Abolishing public law enforcement means... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2020 #89

One would have to be stunningly privileged to advocate it. Squinch Jun 2020 #173

bUt WhaT aBOut teH OptICs?!!? aidbo Jun 2020 #93

Don't agree with the rhetoric but do agree we can cut the police force in half. ooky Jun 2020 #94

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"The man who assaulted me remained free to attack others" wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #134

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Right now we have well-funded police forces wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #150

A bumper sticker solution to a complex problem BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #103

I could see DUIs making a big comeback madville Jun 2020 #105

No worries BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #116

Yeah, the city can hire substance abuse counselors to make the rounds madville Jun 2020 #118

What's a drivers license? No need for one, or insurance. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2020 #124

You'e right madville Jun 2020 #128

I'll put this in the rainbows and unicorns file... jalan48 Jun 2020 #122

I'd still want someone official to solve murders or find missing persons, but... Amy-Strange Jun 2020 #163

My MiL lives close to the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone in Seattle... brooklynite Jun 2020 #167

No, we mean literally to abolish the bad cops hamsterjill Jun 2020 #168

One or two here ARE advocating we go "Lord if the Flies." It is Squinch Jun 2020 #172

Yes, I'm seeing the agitators. hamsterjill Jun 2020 #192

I called the police while traveling once. Tipperary Jun 2020 #188

That must've been awful. hamsterjill Jun 2020 #193

Don't abolish the police, just... Amy-Strange Jun 2020 #169

Nope. I already have plans for 911 -- speed dial for pizza. Yum! Hortensis Jun 2020 #187

Didn't someone actually do that, or... Amy-Strange Jun 2020 #194

:) No, we'll be the first... Hortensis Jun 2020 #197

Another in a long line of stupid "This obviously hasn't worked" arguments. Silent3 Jun 2020 #195

It Is a Pattern Followed Often, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #215