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Tommy_Carcetti

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89. Abolishing public law enforcement means...

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 09:30 AM

Jun 2020

...turning public safety over to the likes of George Zimmerman.

It would turn an already very bad situation into an exponentially worse one.

It is a terrible and counterproductive idea, full stop, and that is why it will not gain any traction.

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Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police [View all] WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 OP

Welcome To Four More Years Of Trump, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #1

Yep. I can't believe that some think this will help jimfields33 Jun 2020 #4

Same folks who thought rebranding our party as a socialist party was a good idea BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #104

You've got that right. LuvNewcastle Jun 2020 #164

Exactly. treestar Jun 2020 #177

Stop misgendering me. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #10

As You Wish, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2020 #18

Many of those who talk about abolishing the police have been working on the position for years, and WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #26

I Support Disbanding The Minneapolis Department, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2020 #39

"it's also something that takes years of work" - and that's why "abolish the police" is useless muriel_volestrangler Jun 2020 #113

Well Said, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #120

"Build a fair society" means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #121

But we live in our current society, not some idealised one of the future muriel_volestrangler Jun 2020 #123

Ha. Tipperary Jun 2020 #106

Oh for the love of God.. attack the moderates again.. first of all lets us get Biden elected Peacetrain Jun 2020 #45

"Oh for the love of God.. attack the moderates again.." WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #48

Agreed customerserviceguy Jun 2020 #16

And At Present, Sir, Most Of 'Middle America' Thinks The Police Need Policing The Magistrate Jun 2020 #28

Defund, dismantle, discard, disband, or shit can. Magoo48 Jun 2020 #20

And this is what the Op-Ed advocates. maxsolomon Jun 2020 #24

I read it. Magoo48 Jun 2020 #84

I wasn't criticizing you. maxsolomon Jun 2020 #212

Yes. Magoo48 Jun 2020 #214

You'd be lucky if that's all it was misanthrope Jun 2020 #82

I Quite Agree, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #86

Please stop defaulting to binary gender roles Arazi Jun 2020 #83

Focus, People, Focus The Magistrate Jun 2020 #87

Your use if the word sir is super annoying. SlogginThroughIt Jun 2020 #135

To Each Their Own, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #141

Or you can stop alienating allies with archaic and insulting misgendering Arazi Jun 2020 #174

Thanks for mentioning that. I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2020 #154

How is someone supposed to know anyone's gender online? Tipperary Jun 2020 #181

And this is exactly where we are headed. redgreenandblue Jun 2020 #91

On the bright side the OP managed a whopping 12 recs grantcart Jun 2020 #155

It Is Suggestive, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #170

I am thinking that our folks have their eyes on the prize. grantcart Jun 2020 #171

Yes Indeed. Arghhh! Owl Jun 2020 #175

Exactly. If we do not win the November election then anything we do now will be futile. totodeinhere Jun 2020 #198

The rub of course is the illegal ruling known as "Heller", this unconstitutional ruling Eliot Rosewater Jun 2020 #2

I agree with you 100% Eliot. Ohiogal Jun 2020 #6

Here's the thing. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #11

Agreed...Completely...and the BULLSHIT Heller ruling which purposely IGNORES Eliot Rosewater Jun 2020 #33

There were plenty of guns before Heller. Straw Man Jun 2020 #209

Upwards of 80% of Americans agree with Heller's interpretation NickB79 Jun 2020 #15

As Tony Scalia said in Heller, one should be able to keep a PISTOL in one's home Hoyt Jun 2020 #35

Consider the fact customerserviceguy Jun 2020 #19

I'm for giving no preference to xmilitary for that very reason. Hoyt Jun 2020 #37

Can the Supreme Court sarisataka Jun 2020 #22

Actually studies show there was a higher murder rate before firearms. nt EX500rider Jun 2020 #178

Well thought out and sensible. brush Jun 2020 #25

Heller explicitly allows strict gun control hack89 Jun 2020 #85

Stop. This is a LOSING proposition and we can't afford a Trump second term. SMC22307 Jun 2020 #3

Manslaughter cops? Assault cops? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #17

Cops who show up to domestic abuse calls. Cops who secure the scene for EMTs. SMC22307 Jun 2020 #43

. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #46

... skylucy Jun 2020 #5

Just to go down this rabbit hole a bit sarisataka Jun 2020 #7

Cops rarely respond in time to stop an armed robbery in progress. So what does the victim WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #34

So if I understand sarisataka Jun 2020 #40

You're half right. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #42

The Problem With That Line, Ma'am, Is That People Often Do Behave 'Irrationally' The Magistrate Jun 2020 #47

The thing is, most violent crime *does* have a rational root. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #51

Your Aside In Closing Is Sound, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2020 #75

. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #90

We Are Going To Have To Agree To Disagree, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2020 #92

Sociopaths I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2020 #157

I Agree The Magistrate Jun 2020 #165

I can see where that applies sarisataka Jun 2020 #50

Thanks for taking my posts seriously. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #53

Many ideas are outside of the box and simply radical sarisataka Jun 2020 #58

Again, thanks for walking this out with me. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #60

What happens if I subdue the robber? Polybius Jun 2020 #62

A social worker Jose Garcia Jun 2020 #64

Hmm Polybius Jun 2020 #66

I can't tell if this is a good-faith question or not. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #68

I like the community-based crisis response team idea. We can train them, and arm them. jmg257 Jun 2020 #79

Including collective evidence treestar Jun 2020 #95

When I was in college, I lived way out in the country, and cops probably saved my life or at least cwydro Jun 2020 #179

I'm sorry that happened to you, and that your experience is being weaponized in the discussion. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #189

He didn't just "hang around". He was kicking the door, swearing, smashing the other panes in the cwydro Jun 2020 #190

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Do you agree that anyone who commits an armed robbery deserves to be apprehended and tried? totodeinhere Jun 2020 #199

If you like my posts on police abolition, wait 'til I get started on prison abolition. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #200

I would not abolish prisons outright. totodeinhere Jun 2020 #201

Interestingly, for-profit prisons are responsible for less than 10 percent of the incarcerated WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #203

And as someone who's GF was in the Fla prison system for 3 year (drug charge) EX500rider Jun 2020 #205

Better that she didn't have to be incarcerated at all, IMO. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #210

I agree but my point was most the people on DU who bad talk the private prisons.. EX500rider Jun 2020 #211

Someone will probably say if you're getting held up, "you have too much". RhodeIslandOne Jun 2020 #148

Sheesh. NO, JUST NO. Goodheart Jun 2020 #8

Your proposal is the Best solution at140 Jun 2020 #12

I see massive problems with cronyisme even worse than today. SlogginThroughIt Jun 2020 #136

This is a disastrous argument Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #9

Who's "we"? maxsolomon Jun 2020 #13

The collective left of center. Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #70

Hear Hear, Sir! The Magistrate Jun 2020 #77

The complete abolishment of police doesn't seem too popular here on DU. Sapient Donkey Jun 2020 #80

Because they will not focus long enough to understand the argument? maxsolomon Jun 2020 #213

You can't abolish the police but you can reform the police. Keep it up and Trump will win. Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #14

Minnneapolis has been reforming its police for 150 years. The result is the murder of George Floyd. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #21

Like that is the only thing they've done in 150 years treestar Jun 2020 #96

If we run on eliminating police Trump may win and we get nothing...in fact it would likely be Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #108

I don't support police abolition as an election issue. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #110

It Can, Ma'am, Be Made An Election Issue By The Enemy The Magistrate Jun 2020 #125

Republicans twist every message. I'm not interested in watering something down and doing the work WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #126

You Are Handing A Man A Knife Hilt-First, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2020 #127

Could be. You could say I did it when I worked during a presidential election year on the gay WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #138

Your Annoyance, Ma'am, Is Not The Best Measure Of Whether A Course Is Sound Or Not The Magistrate Jun 2020 #139

I'm starting to think that's the plan and the right happily picked it up Hav Jun 2020 #30

Yep, words matter. Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #107

I'm confused - abolish, or reduce by half? jmg257 Jun 2020 #23

I don't think this will get support from majority of Americans. LisaL Jun 2020 #27

Not even close to a majority on DU! GulfCoast66 Jun 2020 #41

Majority of Americans didn't approve of MLK at the time of his death, too, so. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #55

Is there proof of that? treestar Jun 2020 #99

Yes. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #100

Selective memory is a helluva drug wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #131

Sounds like some Vietnam issues there treestar Jun 2020 #156

True, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2020 #166

K&R JonLP24 Jun 2020 #29

When we lived in South Florida, marie999 Jun 2020 #31

fuck it dweller Jun 2020 #32

Argh. NurseJackie Jun 2020 #36

This. nt Tipperary Jun 2020 #183

Good long-term goal, I suppose. Are you aware of any country that has succeeded? Hoyt Jun 2020 #38

So let it gain traction ibegurpard Jun 2020 #44

You never answered my question: you see a rape in progress, an armed robbery in progress, Squinch Jun 2020 #49

Sorry, must have missed where you said this. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #54

So, let me get this straight: I am watching out my window as someone is being raped. Squinch Jun 2020 #56

The cops generally aren't great about interrupting a rape. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #59

That's a pretty disgusting answer. Squinch Jun 2020 #72

What's disgusting about it? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #73

Do we do anything about catching the rapist? Who makes the "arrest", if/when, the perp is known? jmg257 Jun 2020 #74

The social workers will track them down BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #112

Easy peasy. 700+ hours of police training is just fluff. jmg257 Jun 2020 #115

Can't do worse than the police now. wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #133

Actually you can do worse...solving 33% of cases is better then zero. nt EX500rider Jun 2020 #196

"At Delta Airlines, our pilots land the plane 33% of the time" wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #202

Somehow I don't think abolishing the Police is going to improve the stats. nt EX500rider Jun 2020 #204

The police are the ones raping women too n/t wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #206

And what % of the 800,000 sworn law enforcement officers are guilty of that exactly? nt EX500rider Jun 2020 #207

All of them, who think this is in any way okay wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #208

And there never is a shortage of low paid social workers treestar Jun 2020 #184

Curious too: Someone decides to shoot up a school/theater/mall, who answers the 911 call? jmg257 Jun 2020 #76

Social workers and an unarmed "community action team" will respond, of course BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #114

A "community crisis response team". (Aka "police") jmg257 Jun 2020 #117

Keep in mind BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #119

that stands in opposition treestar Jun 2020 #185

why not both? treestar Jun 2020 #98

Yes, that is their logic: Individual anecdotes as the excuse Hav Jun 2020 #61

It's pie in the sky nonsense BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #111

It is all those things, and we need it like we need another 4 years of Trump, but if Squinch Jun 2020 #130

Take out your 2nd amd right gun and shoot the perpetrator treestar Jun 2020 #97

No. If you're being raped or robbed or murdered you just have to grin and Squinch Jun 2020 #101

That sounds awful. EllieBC Jun 2020 #129

Author of the article already answered your question wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #132

That didn't really answer it. EllieBC Jun 2020 #140

Nobody is asking women (or anyone) to be rape victims wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #145

Lol! That's exactly what you are asking! You're demanding that the Squinch Jun 2020 #149

Highlight where I said "let's not do anything" wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #151

The part where we asked "what do you do if you are being raped?" Squinch Jun 2020 #152

Try again wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #153

You can wait all you like, and you can act as if you are making a point, but Squinch Jun 2020 #160

Cheers! wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #161

That is no answer whatsoever. If one is being raped, one should just Squinch Jun 2020 #143

Solving rapes is already a crapshoot with the police wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #144

So we won't do anything about rape, or robbery, or murder at all. Squinch Jun 2020 #146

No form of crime is ever going to be ended treestar Jun 2020 #158

Police clear less than half of violent crimes wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #159

Doctors don't save every life treestar Jun 2020 #176

Apples and Oranges wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #180

Is that realistic? treestar Jun 2020 #182

Police officers are lazy, period. wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #186

Reductions make sense to me. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #52

This position fundamentally ignores Codeine Jun 2020 #57

I agree I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2020 #162

If cops are abolished, we better not dare try to pass any gun-control Polybius Jun 2020 #63

Who would enforce any gun control laws if there were no police? Jose Garcia Jun 2020 #65

And who comes to arrest suspects in crimes? Polybius Jun 2020 #67

I've got another one, what happens if someone is doing 90 mph in a 50? Polybius Jun 2020 #69

Hee, you're onto me. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #71

NO crime, so no arrests, and so no jails. No laws, no lawyers, no judges. Its easy if you try. jmg257 Jun 2020 #81

That's a loser Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #78

Better abolish the 911 system too, no ambulance will respond to crime scene victims if it isn't safe Baclava Jun 2020 #88

Abolishing public law enforcement means... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2020 #89

One would have to be stunningly privileged to advocate it. Squinch Jun 2020 #173

bUt WhaT aBOut teH OptICs?!!? aidbo Jun 2020 #93

Don't agree with the rhetoric but do agree we can cut the police force in half. ooky Jun 2020 #94

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"The man who assaulted me remained free to attack others" wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #134

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Right now we have well-funded police forces wellst0nev0ter Jun 2020 #150

A bumper sticker solution to a complex problem BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #103

I could see DUIs making a big comeback madville Jun 2020 #105

No worries BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #116

Yeah, the city can hire substance abuse counselors to make the rounds madville Jun 2020 #118

What's a drivers license? No need for one, or insurance. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2020 #124

You'e right madville Jun 2020 #128

I'll put this in the rainbows and unicorns file... jalan48 Jun 2020 #122

I'd still want someone official to solve murders or find missing persons, but... Amy-Strange Jun 2020 #163

My MiL lives close to the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone in Seattle... brooklynite Jun 2020 #167

No, we mean literally to abolish the bad cops hamsterjill Jun 2020 #168

One or two here ARE advocating we go "Lord if the Flies." It is Squinch Jun 2020 #172

Yes, I'm seeing the agitators. hamsterjill Jun 2020 #192

I called the police while traveling once. Tipperary Jun 2020 #188

That must've been awful. hamsterjill Jun 2020 #193

Don't abolish the police, just... Amy-Strange Jun 2020 #169

Nope. I already have plans for 911 -- speed dial for pizza. Yum! Hortensis Jun 2020 #187

Didn't someone actually do that, or... Amy-Strange Jun 2020 #194

:) No, we'll be the first... Hortensis Jun 2020 #197

Another in a long line of stupid "This obviously hasn't worked" arguments. Silent3 Jun 2020 #195

It Is a Pattern Followed Often, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #215