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TheNewNumberTwo

(70 posts)
34. #DumptheTurdNov3
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 01:10 PM
Jun 2020

I'm not sure that FDR knew the extent of Stalin's purges when JS switched sides to ally with us against Hitler (when Hitler violated their alliance and attacked him). Remember that the two of them were poised to divvy up Europe before Hitler couldn't help himself and got greedy, despite Stalin ending up 'winning' the war against his own people in the end.

Nor do I think we could have taken on BOTH of them at the time, *and* kept on fighting the Japanese too - remember them? at the time, we were busy trying to rebuild the pacific fleet after Pearl Harbor, which thankfully spared the aircraft carriers (which weren't there to be attacked, luckily for us). the alliance with Stalin was certainly one of Hitler and Hirohito being the 'bigger enemy' at that moment in time, to be sure.

I have no disagreement that we are at 'war' with ourselves in terms of American society and it's still an open question as to who will win - cynicism, dark money and rich Whitey, or an open society that values each other as human beings, our contributions, unique perspectives and backgrounds which all build on that.

and completely agree with you on climate change, of which we are all guilty of causing. part of the reason I am a 'tree zealot' and run outside of my home office to **yell** at the McMansioneers every time I hear what I think may be a chainsaw. And serve on a local group to protect urban trees and give to every green group related to that and similar I know. I absolutely agree with you.

the 'real world' can't be the world as it is - if we were able to create climate change, nazi's and Dump - we can begin to mitigate and reverse them, too. Idealism? Sure. But the world is what we make it, and if we don't make the effort, we get the world we deserve, no?

Republican allies of convenience [View all] WonderGrunion Jun 2020 OP
I agree I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2020 #1
#firetheliars2020 TheNewNumberTwo Jun 2020 #2
You are so wrong DownriverDem Jun 2020 #9
#f***TheGOPs TheNewNumberTwo Jun 2020 #22
Mostly I agree, but I believe there may be exceptions. soldierant Jun 2020 #20
they are welcome to grab and oar. they wont be allowed to steer the ship. mopinko Jun 2020 #3
like this analogy very much! Solomon Jun 2020 #29
feel free to repeat it. mopinko Jun 2020 #30
Not quite. Yes many of them remain "small government conservatives" but groups like the OnDoutside Jun 2020 #4
Rec x 1,000 denbot Jun 2020 #5
Ditto that...a little background PandoraAwakened Jun 2020 #6
It's always surprisng to me that even WITHOUT the wink and nod, 40% of Americans... Beartracks Jun 2020 #16
i love her because she laughs at him, and when she tries to read his tweets, mopinko Jun 2020 #31
Yes, they are needed Skidmore Jun 2020 #7
Fine, but we should do less looking a gift horse in the mouth. NNadir Jun 2020 #8
#f***TheGOPs TheNewNumberTwo Jun 2020 #23
So let me guess what your spin on history is. NNadir Jun 2020 #24
#DumptheTurdNov3 TheNewNumberTwo Jun 2020 #34
Roosevelt was no dummy; neither was Churchill. NNadir Jun 2020 #35
#f**theGOPs TheNewNumberTwo Jun 2020 #36
I'm good with that because flotsam Jun 2020 #10
Yes and no . . . evilhime Jun 2020 #11
Totally agree, if you listen closely they are posturing between the lines already bucolic_frolic Jun 2020 #12
I want them to take back the GOP zipplewrath Jun 2020 #13
They all still think conservatism can work. However, the main problem preventing it... Beartracks Jun 2020 #14
add to the list mnmoderatedem Jun 2020 #15
They're hitting him from the other side. That's all I care about. Iggo Jun 2020 #17
Absolutely true. I very much remember lots of Republican naysayers before Trump was selected. live love laugh Jun 2020 #18
Great point seta1950 Jun 2020 #19
The enemy of my enemy is a friend. For now. GulfCoast66 Jun 2020 #21
Purity is a wonderful thing but octoberlib Jun 2020 #25
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2020 #26
I dont care Cosmocat Jun 2020 #27
Adversaries but not enemies? kentuck Jun 2020 #28
I welcome all ammunition against the criminal regime. dalton99a Jun 2020 #32
I have come to believe that we need responsible adversaries Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 #33
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