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The Straight Story

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Tue Dec 13, 2011, 07:34 PM Dec 2011

(Suze Orman)Apparently Poor & Middle Class People Shouldn't Have Babies [View all]

Financial guru Suze Orman told a couple making $5,600 a month that they couldn't afford to have another child. My whole marriage, we've only made maybe half that, and have been pretty comfortable. I kind of want to ... well ... enlighten Orman on what most Americans live on, because it's way less than these people. Her estimate of how much kids cost monthly is so insane that if it were true, no one would have kids. Ever.

The couple in question are Brian, 30, and his wife Jill, 29. They have one child, a son who is 17 months old. Their work shifts alternate so they don't pay for daycare. However, they've always wanted two or three kids, and Jill, like many moms, wants to be home with them until they're at least preschool-aged.

But according to Suze, they just can't do it. She goes as far as to guilt-trip them, saying that when they hold their children to their chest, any monetary stress will basically infect the child; therefore, they shouldn't try to cut things down and make money very tight and cut expenses, but instead, just don't have more kids now. I'm paraphrasing, but check it out at about 12 minutes:

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The statement used is that they can't afford to keep their current lifestyle and have another baby. NO ONE keeps their current lifestyle after having kids! Their current lifestyle is beyond their means anyway so obviously they've got some major cutbacks they need to make to begin with. As a financial advisor, shouldn't she be teaching them how to not only get their finances under control now and then help them make a plan so they can afford to have another baby? Jill concedes that she'd be willing to work two to three days a week if she had to -- so Suze, why not work with her there? Just telling them "NO!" is not only unhelpful, but heartless as well.

http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/129732/apparently_poor_middle_class_people

I watched the video...Interesting to say the least. Their expenses are $6500/mo. They make $5600/mo - I am not saying I agree or not with the poster at the link, but wow. But on the other side I think Suze was a little over the top here. She is putting money over having kids, etc...I dunno, the whole exchange just seemed odd IMHO.

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Well, I agree with it to some degree Uranus Needs Men Dec 2011 #1
While their intentions are honorable, their priorities are out of whack rocktivity Dec 2011 #7
Many, many people work on different shifts and their families do just fine. It takes a lot of extra Brickbat Dec 2011 #12
they may want their child to have siblings to grow up with, to teach, to learn from, etc. CreekDog Dec 2011 #22
this is what we do Maine-ah Dec 2011 #27
Since we are all anonymous on here, may I ask shift happens Dec 2011 #32
combined income while I was working was 70k a year. Maine-ah Dec 2011 #38
I agree with Suze. DeadEyeDyck Dec 2011 #2
"Their expenses are $6500/mo. They make $5600/mo" Obviously that's not working. alphafemale Dec 2011 #3
But if they don't want her advise DeadEyeDyck Dec 2011 #6
"You CAN'T afford another kid" is exactly correct. ManiacJoe Dec 2011 #31
I agree too lakerboy Dec 2011 #4
Nobody can actually afford a child Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #5
But Suze ... frazzled Dec 2011 #8
Your response illustrates what (for me) is so despicable about those contemplating having children Uranus Needs Men Dec 2011 #11
You've got it all wrong frazzled Dec 2011 #14
Re-read your post, m'dear Uranus Needs Men Dec 2011 #15
Hello, you try re-reading frazzled Dec 2011 #28
I'm finding your posts kind of amusing cali Dec 2011 #17
What the hell! vankuria Dec 2011 #23
Jesus Christ people frazzled Dec 2011 #29
Wasn't addressing your post, sorry vankuria Dec 2011 #39
Heh, I'm sorry, too! frazzled Dec 2011 #40
How much of that income is made by the wife/mother? customerserviceguy Dec 2011 #9
They are about the same but she carries the insurance sammytko Dec 2011 #13
In a lot of places customerserviceguy Dec 2011 #24
Growing up in with constant financial stress is hard on kids REP Dec 2011 #10
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #16
oh codswallop. I know lots of kids who grew up relatively (and quite) poor cali Dec 2011 #18
I agree with Suze - here's my take (or story as it were) - Mira Dec 2011 #19
Forgoing a second child will not solve their income/spending problem. She should address that first. Brickbat Dec 2011 #20
They are running $900 in the red every month. Until they can get that straightened out, iris27 Dec 2011 #21
Right now they can't afford another ANYTHING! WillowTree Dec 2011 #25
I agree, though I haven't read her exact words. It's much more expensive to have children napi21 Dec 2011 #26
i don't watch videos but yah suze is right pitohui Dec 2011 #30
why would anyone ask her for advice to have another child? madrchsod Dec 2011 #33
I don't think she's saying that. She's saying people in the red shouldn't be having kids. Selatius Dec 2011 #34
I have to say on that matter, that we are over populated. juajen Dec 2011 #35
Suze estimated it costs an additional $700-1000 a month per child. boppers Dec 2011 #36
Orman is a charlatan, but... Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2011 #37
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