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caseymoz

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17. I think Iranians got their revenge.
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:29 AM
Sep 2012

We gave them the Shah. They gave us Reagan, who wouldn't have won without the Iran Hostage Crisis. By extension, they also gave us the Bush presidencies, the last of which was nearly fatal. More than that, the conservatism that ascended due to what Iranians did weighed down our political system with years of backward conservatism, that's going to take us decades to recover from if it's even possible.

There was never any connection between what the CIA did in Iran (and a lot of other countries) and what US people vote on in elections. Truth is, in 1953, the CIA was a renegade agency. Paranoid, accountable to no one for its covert activities, unsupervised, and flush with cash it raked off freely from the Marshall Plan; at a time when the dollar was the supreme currency in the world.

For people of my generation, the first they ever heard of Iran was the revolution and the taking of the American Embassy. The hatred Iranians showed on television then, and the lawlessness of taking the American Embassy and holding hostages created a bad emotional state among the US people. Being confronted by that level of hatred wasn't conducive to understanding of cause, and that's the kind of trauma that lasts a long time.

Meanwhile, Iranians have punished themselves with the Islamic Republic, far more than what the Shah did. It seems to me those clerics exploited anger over the coup for their own political ends.

I'm not saying they don't have a legitimate grievance, but sooner or later, you have to put a stop to the anger and suspicion, which is traumatic in itself, and get rational about how to come to some understanding.

What the CIA managed to do there can't be done today.

I'm not saying Iranians don't legitimate grievance,

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Rachael has been busy this election season BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #1
I think you may need this... pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #2
Russia is our direct enemy? And I thought the Czechoslovakia quote was bad. Jennicut Sep 2012 #3
or as Chris Matthews pronounces it... Roy Rolling Sep 2012 #4
It's like they quit following the news the day Reagan left office CanonRay Sep 2012 #5
You could be right. ProSense Sep 2012 #6
I think it's 1979 that they're perpetually stuck in... JHB Sep 2012 #12
the problem is that Cheney got her message out on network TV rurallib Sep 2012 #7
Yeah, the people ProSense Sep 2012 #8
You nailed it Rurallib zeemike Sep 2012 #11
You left off Mein Kampf lastlib Sep 2012 #14
No I think they keep that under the mattress. zeemike Sep 2012 #20
Joe Scarbrow said that the media is biased for the liberals. Major Hogwash Sep 2012 #18
What did she mean to say? genxlib Sep 2012 #9
The Soviets! The USSR! They all live in Republicans' minds Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #10
She also labelled Iranians as "enemies" vlyons Sep 2012 #13
I think Iranians got their revenge. caseymoz Sep 2012 #17
re: What the CIA managed to do there can't be done today vlyons Sep 2012 #21
I didn't say the US improved morally. caseymoz Sep 2012 #23
I thought Johnson abandoned Czechoslovakia. caseymoz Sep 2012 #15
God forbid PatrynXX Sep 2012 #16
9/11/01. Top that one, Lizzie. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #19
There certainly are a lot of idiot children of politicians in our political establishment nowadays. Marr Sep 2012 #22
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