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50. I don't think states (or even geography) matters as much anymore.

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 01:28 AM

Jun 2020

I'm not even sure it has ever really mattered. Maybe LBJ helping JFK win Texas.

I think VP selections are about overarching narratives and perhaps bringing in a particular demographic. Paul Ryan couldn't help Romney win Wisconsin. John Edwards didn't help Kerry win North Carolina. On the other hand, Dick Cheney was from Wyoming, not an electoral necessity, but his status as an old, foreign policy-oriented, Washington insider balanced with Bush. Joe Biden's political experience and connection with white independents balanced with Obama, though Delaware wasn't a factor. Gore and Clinton came from neighboring states.

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My gut says Harris will be (and should be) the VP pick, but she's not without a couple flaws. [View all] Music Man Jun 2020 OP

So find us someone flawless, and good luck with that. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #1

+1 crickets Jun 2020 #2

Just fostering a discussion. Music Man Jun 2020 #4

I think what Ocelot was trying to say was that everyone has flaws Squidly Jun 2020 #61

This analysis is flawed because Warren did not win the working class. Joe Biden was the one that won JI7 Jun 2020 #3

+1 betsuni Jun 2020 #17

I think Harris would be great for our chances in November. I actually think Rice would Hoyt Jun 2020 #5

Yes, I think Harris does offer the best electoral chances Music Man Jun 2020 #8

It won't be Rice. The media narrative would focus on her son blm Jun 2020 #32

What if he picked Condaleeza Rice? I am not for it, just wondering aloud Pisces Jun 2020 #6

Do you mean Susan Rice? Music Man Jun 2020 #10

A Republican? Wrong Rice, perhaps? nt procon Jun 2020 #12

Now Harris looks to be to be a fine VP candidate in 2020 and possibly a future POTUS PufPuf23 Jun 2020 #7

I like Harris, but I agree with your assessment of her procon Jun 2020 #9

The assessment by the OP was excellent Awsi Dooger Jun 2020 #40

She's a good contrast to Biden MaryMagdaline Jun 2020 #74

I'm not interested in her flaws, any more than I'm interested in Biden's StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #11

+++ nt brer cat Jun 2020 #16

Harris does not excite progressives TheFarseer Jun 2020 #13

I'm a progressive and she excited me StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #19

Those so called progressives she doesn't excite are the ones that preferred Trump over Hillary JI7 Jun 2020 #20

Sorry but that is bullshit Marrah_Goodman Jun 2020 #69

Same here. And I do find her warm and engaging. smirkymonkey Jun 2020 #52

She's one of the most progressive Senators. betsuni Jun 2020 #27

Au contraire, mon frer. ZZenith Jun 2020 #44

Interestingly.... in that poll that was posted, she was neck and neck with Warren... Blasphemer Jun 2020 #47

She excites the base of our party mcar Jun 2020 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Squidly Jun 2020 #63

She excites the base which is AA and female MaryMagdaline Jun 2020 #75

It's not that Harris comes across as a prosecutor DFW Jun 2020 #14

Oh, here we go. The woman candidate has 'flaws' Maven Jun 2020 #15

IKR? StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #21

I suspected I'd get get that strawman argument. Music Man Jun 2020 #24

Strawman? I don't think so. Maven Jun 2020 #54

Thank you StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #59

+1 betsuni Jun 2020 #57

Pence the Dense versus Harris? roamer65 Jun 2020 #18

Yes, she's incredibly sharp. The Pence-Harris moment will be must see TV :) Music Man Jun 2020 #29

Oooooooo.....THIS. roamer65 Jun 2020 #31

I think Harris should flirt with him, hard. ZZenith Jun 2020 #46

Why kid about it? liberaltrucker Jun 2020 #51

Harris checks all the boxes Pantagruel Jun 2020 #22

Excellent point about her Senate replacement. Music Man Jun 2020 #26

I think she would be a fool to take the job. Scruffy1 Jun 2020 #23

Hillary went the safe route... UncleTomsEvilBrother Jun 2020 #25

whatever. Kamala is ready on day 1. f***. you saw Trump's foreign SiliconValley_Dem Jun 2020 #39

Too bad WE can't vote to nominate VP MyMission Jun 2020 #28

I try to remember that the VP role is a particular task in the campaign. Music Man Jun 2020 #30

"Harris' presidential campaign was quite mediocre." DrToast Jun 2020 #33

The only question is which VP candidate Calista241 Jun 2020 #34

Why do you think Harris couldn't help in those states? StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #60

From Wisconsin, and I really like her. Tech Jun 2020 #62

I think she would be a great pick. Archetypist Jun 2020 #35

I agree on every count. Music Man Jun 2020 #36

Well get it off your chest now, because shortly we are going to circle the wagons around whoever... Hekate Jun 2020 #37

dark horse? SiliconValley_Dem Jun 2020 #38

A surprise or relatively unknown contender. Music Man Jun 2020 #41

i know. just a tad bit "on the nose" when talking about AA women SiliconValley_Dem Jun 2020 #42

I considered using a different term because I assumed someone would say something, Music Man Jun 2020 #49

I agree, also she brings a state that's already solid blue Raine Jun 2020 #43

I don't think states (or even geography) matters as much anymore. Music Man Jun 2020 #50

I don't think Hillary really had that problem which you referenced. StevieM Jun 2020 #45

+1 betsuni Jun 2020 #58

From Bakari Sellers... SidDithers Jun 2020 #48

No the number one priority is someone Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #53

No one should forget the media aspect. Biden already had that ad with Lindey Graham trashing Trump. DFW Jun 2020 #56

This. OnDoutside Jun 2020 #71

Thanks Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #76

Well said. OnDoutside Jun 2020 #70

So lets focus on those "couple of flaws". honest.abe Jun 2020 #64

Hopefully, she has been preparing Sunsky Jun 2020 #65

I don't care for Kamala as a running mate for Buden helpisontheway Jun 2020 #66

Harris elicits no excitement for me Marrah_Goodman Jun 2020 #67

It has to be Harris Johnny2X2X Jun 2020 #68

Can you outline her great resume and how she's ready for this ? OnDoutside Jun 2020 #72

She's got a great record Johnny2X2X Jun 2020 #73

Those are ratings, not a record Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #77

Exactly, and not a surprise coming from the bluest of states. OnDoutside Jun 2020 #79

Name one person without a couple flaws? I'll wait lettucebe Jun 2020 #78