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Awsi Dooger

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21. Poor ballot design led to over votes throughout Florida
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 01:32 AM
Jun 2020

Palm Beach County got all the headlines for the butterfly ballot but it was something like 20 counties had multi page or butterfly ballots. Voters would turn the page and assume they had to vote again. That second vote nullified the first vote, which often was for Gore. He was losing net votes all over the state, with the most famous example all the double votes for Gore and Pat Buchanon. Even Buchanon conceded those votes were intended for Gore and not himself.

Florida 2000 was a disaster all over the place, from the scrubbed voter rolls by Jeb Bush to the ballot designs to the Supreme Court decision, which obviously would have gone the other way if Bush trailed by 537. I believe Bill Clinton is correct that the vote would have been 9-0 to proceed with the recount under that scenario.

Democrats have done a terrible job of inspecting all the little matters, which really aren't little at all. There were high numbers of under votes in Florida 2018 for the same reason, some awful ballot designs in certain counties that caused voters to fail to notice the race because it was buried underneath lengthy ballot instructions.

I have no idea why Democrats can't have operatives assigned to check ballot designs in each county. Even if not in charge they can scream like hell to media, and warn voters beforehand, when the designs are incompetent and destined to lead to over votes or under votes.

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They stole it in 2000, [View all] edhopper Jun 2020 OP
And 2004, and 2016. Karl Rove was prevented from stealing it from Obama at the last minute diane in sf Jun 2020 #1
Yep edhopper Jun 2020 #2
Is that the one that the computer hackers foiled? Jeebo Jun 2020 #7
It was 2012. dflprincess Jun 2020 #10
Thanks for edhopper Jun 2020 #23
and 2004 -- Ohio tallies were tampered with. Grasswire2 Jun 2020 #3
Very true edhopper Jun 2020 #4
I think Florida was stolen in 2004 as well, using a fraudulent program in the central tabulators. lostnfound Jun 2020 #11
I'll never forget 2004--it was devastating because we KNEW about 2000 and people were tired of Bush live love laugh Jun 2020 #18
kicking......... nt Hotler Jun 2020 #5
In 2000, in south Florida. Jeebo Jun 2020 #6
Wow I remember seeing that term "over votes" but I never really delved into it. Your explanation live love laugh Jun 2020 #19
Poor ballot design led to over votes throughout Florida Awsi Dooger Jun 2020 #21
The reason Republicans won in 2000 was because Gore DIDN'T win by 12 pts... brooklynite Jun 2020 #8
The only poll I care about is the final tally on 11-3.... Heartstrings Jun 2020 #9
YES! Exactly this... Hip2bSquare Jun 2020 #12
And 2004. "New Court Filing Reveals How the 2004 Ohio Presidential Election Was Hacked" CaptainTruth Jun 2020 #13
as others said, 2004 too. they are criminals NRaleighLiberal Jun 2020 #14
I do ! proud patriot Jun 2020 #16
There are poll watchers who are legitimate, at least in some states, soldierant Jun 2020 #15
In California Mr.Bill Jun 2020 #17
I want to know how we can become watchers of the watchers. nt live love laugh Jun 2020 #20
Good question. soldierant Jun 2020 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Jun 2020 #24
But it does count edhopper Jun 2020 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Jun 2020 #26
I think you are wrong. edhopper Jun 2020 #27
Clinton lost because certain folks who call themselves progressive did not come out for her ... Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #29
This is also edhopper Jun 2020 #30
You think I am wrong because you have to. The alternative is to realize the system no longer works. Rainbow Droid Jun 2020 #32
spare me edhopper Jun 2020 #33
Once again kind of a down post saying we must fight it...but giving no ways of er Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #28
GOTV edhopper Jun 2020 #31
I GOTV every election...but I certainly agree with every suggestion. Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #34
We must make sure edhopper Jun 2020 #35
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