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In reply to the discussion: Stacy Abrams. Bright. Always prepared. Clear on the issues. [View all]grantcart
(53,061 posts)56. "If you think she is campaigning for it and she is so brazen"
Really? Are you not aware that is a widely held consensus opinion, even among people who supported her at the beginning of her high profile self promotion?
How her approach has been generally received:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/04/26/stacey-abrams-is-waging-a-public-campaign-for-vp---will-it-pay-off/#d2bddab43df1
Stacey Abrams is not shying away from her desire to be Joe Bidens running mate, a clear contrast to the other candidates on Bidens short list for the vice president sweepstakes who have been coy when asked about the possibility.
. . .
Unlike these other candidates, though, Abrams has been straightforward about her desire to become Bidens vice president pick, and has made her case publicly in several interviews over the past few weeks.
There are dozens of other examples but I will pick just one more from CNN
The former top Democrat in the Georgia House has been everywhere this month, giving interviews and speeches, appearing at digital forums and writing op-eds. She has described herself in interviews as an "excellent" pick for Biden,
Early supporters of Abrams have been highly critical of her approach and withdrew their support, for example
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/05/03/opinion/kamala-harris-is-bidens-best-choice-vice-president/
A year ago I likely would have made the case for the 2018 Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams, but her lack of experience and ostentatious efforts to get the VP nod should give her boosters pause. Its long been true that female politicians have been unfairly denigrated for appearing overly ambitious, but one needs to be a bit more subtle than Abrams. Not only did she sit out a very winnable Georgia Senate race in part because it would derail her chance to be Bidens running mate, but the revelation this week that she has been calling Democratic power brokers and asking them to lobby for her is a flagrant rookie mistake. Its one thing to be ambitious its something else to look ambitious. So clearly running for VP shows a real lack of political deftness and it glaringly contrasts with Harriss recent work as a loyal surrogate on behalf of Biden.
Lack of subtlety, calling power brokers, etc. is the definition of "brazen".
I think we can agree on two things
1) She has been the most ambitious person promoting their own candidacy for VP in modern history of the Democratic Party
2) She is highly intelligent
So I postulate that this highly intelligent person may have another agenda because her high profile campaign to get on the national ticket having not yet won statewide has another agenda, building up leverage to influence the choice for the next Supreme Court Justice.
VP Biden has said that he is going to pick a woman POC to fill the next vacancy.
There are only about 20 judges that have the requisite experience to be considered and are women and African American.
They are a pretty comparable group sharing the same qualifications and age, etc.
Since I see that Ms. Abrams is highly intelligent I am guessing that her high profile VP approach (which is the least effective way to gain credibility) may rather be an effort to create enough popular support so that she can say "OK if I am not on the ticket I want my sister on the short list for the SC."
Her sister:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Abrams_Gardner#:~:text=Leslie%20Abrams%20Gardner%20(n%C3%A9e%20Leslie,was%20an%20Assistant%20U.S.%20Attorney.
Gardner is the daughter of the Reverend Carolyn and the Reverend Robert Abrams, originally of Hattiesburg, Mississippi. She was one of six children. Her sister, Stacey Abrams, is the former House Minority Leader in the Georgia General Assembly, and the Democratic candidate for governor in the 2018 Georgia gubernatorial election.[1][2]
Gardner received a Bachelor of Arts degree in 1997 from Brown University. She received a Juris Doctor in 2002 from Yale Law School. She began her career serving as a law clerk for Judge Marvin J. Garbis of the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland. She served as an associate at the law firm of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher and Flom LLP, from 2003 to 2006 and again from 2007 to 2010. She served as an associate at the law firm of Kilpatrick Stockton LLP, from 2006 to 2007. From 2010 to 2014, she served as an Assistant U.S. Attorney in the Northern District of Georgia.[3][4]
. . .
On March 11, 2014, President Barack Obama nominated Gardner to serve as a U.S. District Judge for the Middle District of Georgia, to the seat being vacated by Judge W. Louis Sands, who took senior status on April 12, 2014.[5] She received a hearing before the full panel of the Senate Judiciary Committee on May 13, 2014.[6] On June 19, 2014, her nomination was reported out of committee by voice vote.[7] On November 12, 2014, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid filed for cloture on her nomination. On Monday, November 17, 2014 cloture was invoked by a vote of 6828.[8] On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 the Senate confirmed her by a vote of 1000.[9] She received her judicial commission on November 20, 2014.[4]
When asked about being Vice President Senator Harris always turns it around to promote Biden and she demonstrates that she is an effective surrogate for him.
For that reason she is by far and away the leading candidate for VP:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/18/democrats-favor-kamala-harris-for-vp-by-wide-margin-poll-finds/#5e9c26156da9
E A new poll found that a plurality of Democrats would like to see former Vice President Joe Biden pick Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) as his running mate, while a majority named a woman of color as their preferred VP amid nationwide protests against racism and police brutality.
In the betting markets Harris has almost as much support as all of the others combined (45%)
Abrams has fallen to 6th place.
https://smarkets.com/event/2094165/politics/us/us-presidential-election-2020/democrat-nominee-vp
So my take is that others are seeing Abrams approach as failing and I think she is doing exactly what she wants, to be in a position to promote her sister to rise above a crowded field of possible Supreme Court nominees and get on the short list.
I wouldn't bet a dime that Abrams will be the VP but I would be that Judge Leslie Abram Gardner makes it to the Supreme Court.
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She was also given the rebuttle to the state of the (dis)union address by the Democrats after trump
BComplex
Jun 2020
#36
She was house minority leader in Georgia, and she actually won the governor's race
BComplex
Jun 2020
#14
She won it, but was cheated out of it and so didn't get to *be* the governor.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Jun 2020
#39
I agree that she should be given a shot, but I've never heard her speak on foreign policy
Renew Deal
Jun 2020
#20