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grantcart

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56. "If you think she is campaigning for it and she is so brazen"
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 06:16 PM
Jun 2020

Really? Are you not aware that is a widely held consensus opinion, even among people who supported her at the beginning of her high profile self promotion?

How her approach has been generally received:



https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/04/26/stacey-abrams-is-waging-a-public-campaign-for-vp---will-it-pay-off/#d2bddab43df1

Stacey Abrams is not shying away from her desire to be Joe Biden’s running mate, a clear contrast to the other candidates on Biden’s short list for the vice president sweepstakes who have been coy when asked about the possibility.

. . .

Unlike these other candidates, though, Abrams has been straightforward about her desire to become Biden’s vice president pick, and has made her case publicly in several interviews over the past few weeks.



There are dozens of other examples but I will pick just one more from CNN





The former top Democrat in the Georgia House has been everywhere this month, giving interviews and speeches, appearing at digital forums and writing op-eds. She has described herself in interviews as an "excellent" pick for Biden,



Early supporters of Abrams have been highly critical of her approach and withdrew their support, for example





https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/05/03/opinion/kamala-harris-is-bidens-best-choice-vice-president/

A year ago I likely would have made the case for the 2018 Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams, but her lack of experience and ostentatious efforts to get the VP nod should give her boosters pause. It’s long been true that female politicians have been unfairly denigrated for appearing overly ambitious, but one needs to be a bit more subtle than Abrams. Not only did she sit out a very winnable Georgia Senate race in part because it would derail her chance to be Biden’s running mate, but the revelation this week that she has been calling Democratic “power brokers” and asking them to lobby for her is a flagrant rookie mistake. It’s one thing to be ambitious — it’s something else to look ambitious. So clearly running for VP shows a real lack of political deftness and it glaringly contrasts with Harris’s recent work as a loyal surrogate on behalf of Biden.





Lack of subtlety, calling power brokers, etc. is the definition of "brazen".


I think we can agree on two things

1) She has been the most ambitious person promoting their own candidacy for VP in modern history of the Democratic Party

2) She is highly intelligent

So I postulate that this highly intelligent person may have another agenda because her high profile campaign to get on the national ticket having not yet won statewide has another agenda, building up leverage to influence the choice for the next Supreme Court Justice.

VP Biden has said that he is going to pick a woman POC to fill the next vacancy.

There are only about 20 judges that have the requisite experience to be considered and are women and African American.

They are a pretty comparable group sharing the same qualifications and age, etc.

Since I see that Ms. Abrams is highly intelligent I am guessing that her high profile VP approach (which is the least effective way to gain credibility) may rather be an effort to create enough popular support so that she can say "OK if I am not on the ticket I want my sister on the short list for the SC."

Her sister:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Abrams_Gardner#:~:text=Leslie%20Abrams%20Gardner%20(n%C3%A9e%20Leslie,was%20an%20Assistant%20U.S.%20Attorney.

Gardner is the daughter of the Reverend Carolyn and the Reverend Robert Abrams, originally of Hattiesburg, Mississippi. She was one of six children. Her sister, Stacey Abrams, is the former House Minority Leader in the Georgia General Assembly, and the Democratic candidate for governor in the 2018 Georgia gubernatorial election.[1][2]

Gardner received a Bachelor of Arts degree in 1997 from Brown University. She received a Juris Doctor in 2002 from Yale Law School. She began her career serving as a law clerk for Judge Marvin J. Garbis of the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland. She served as an associate at the law firm of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher and Flom LLP, from 2003 to 2006 and again from 2007 to 2010. She served as an associate at the law firm of Kilpatrick Stockton LLP, from 2006 to 2007. From 2010 to 2014, she served as an Assistant U.S. Attorney in the Northern District of Georgia.[3][4]

. . .

On March 11, 2014, President Barack Obama nominated Gardner to serve as a U.S. District Judge for the Middle District of Georgia, to the seat being vacated by Judge W. Louis Sands, who took senior status on April 12, 2014.[5] She received a hearing before the full panel of the Senate Judiciary Committee on May 13, 2014.[6] On June 19, 2014, her nomination was reported out of committee by voice vote.[7] On November 12, 2014, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid filed for cloture on her nomination. On Monday, November 17, 2014 cloture was invoked by a vote of 68–28.[8] On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 the Senate confirmed her by a vote of 100–0.[9] She received her judicial commission on November 20, 2014.[4]




When asked about being Vice President Senator Harris always turns it around to promote Biden and she demonstrates that she is an effective surrogate for him.

For that reason she is by far and away the leading candidate for VP:




https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/18/democrats-favor-kamala-harris-for-vp-by-wide-margin-poll-finds/#5e9c26156da9

E A new poll found that a plurality of Democrats would like to see former Vice President Joe Biden pick Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) as his running mate, while a majority named a woman of color as their preferred VP amid nationwide protests against racism and police brutality.




In the betting markets Harris has almost as much support as all of the others combined (45%)

Abrams has fallen to 6th place.

https://smarkets.com/event/2094165/politics/us/us-presidential-election-2020/democrat-nominee-vp




So my take is that others are seeing Abrams approach as failing and I think she is doing exactly what she wants, to be in a position to promote her sister to rise above a crowded field of possible Supreme Court nominees and get on the short list.

I wouldn't bet a dime that Abrams will be the VP but I would be that Judge Leslie Abram Gardner makes it to the Supreme Court.
No, she's not known nationally. nt Phoenix61 Jun 2020 #1
she is well known nationally AlexSFCA Jun 2020 #4
She was also given the rebuttle to the state of the (dis)union address by the Democrats after trump BComplex Jun 2020 #36
she can connect well to low income voters AlexSFCA Jun 2020 #41
No. She did not win her state. No national experience MaryMagdaline Jun 2020 #2
Experience doesn't matter in electoral politics. Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #15
Joe is old. Experience in number 2 position is important MaryMagdaline Jun 2020 #44
That's a GOP talking point Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #45
No. She needs to run and become the governor of Georgia bermudat Jun 2020 #3
I agree. She should be our governor right now. crickets Jun 2020 #48
Too soon ornotna Jun 2020 #5
She was House Minority Leader. She is an adept politician. n/t Laelth Jun 2020 #8
She said she hadn't been contacted by the Biden campaign to be vetted. PunkinPi Jun 2020 #6
That's a real shame. BComplex Jun 2020 #13
I think Stacey is great and she is a rising star in the party, PunkinPi Jun 2020 #19
Here's her background. BComplex Jun 2020 #23
Bill Clinton didn't have any experience on the federal level either Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #27
Bill Clinton was a governor, he had executive experience. PunkinPi Jun 2020 #32
Yes Governor of a very small state Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #33
While Arkansas is not huge it was #33 in 1990. Low middle of the pack. essme Jun 2020 #60
Seriously? How is that even possible? coti Jun 2020 #51
That's what she said when she was on Colbert... PunkinPi Jun 2020 #52
She is impressive, undoubtedly. Laelth Jun 2020 #7
Not enough experience to take over from day one. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #9
She was house minority leader in Georgia, and she actually won the governor's race BComplex Jun 2020 #14
She won it, but was cheated out of it and so didn't get to *be* the governor. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #39
Experience doesn't matter Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #17
I like her. She has a promising future. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #10
Nope... SidDithers Jun 2020 #11
I agree. Cornus Jun 2020 #12
In a recent Monmouth poll of Dems womanofthehills Jun 2020 #53
Was on PBS news hour yesterday California_Republic Jun 2020 #16
Southerners like her a lot more than they like Kamala. BComplex Jun 2020 #18
I agree that she should be given a shot, but I've never heard her speak on foreign policy Renew Deal Jun 2020 #20
The end of the video I posted, she talks about Turkey. BComplex Jun 2020 #22
How would you know that she is "well informed about everything?" Renew Deal Jun 2020 #24
Ok then. About everything a vp candidate needs to be well-informed about. BComplex Jun 2020 #29
I think Kamala brings everything Stacy brings and much more PTWB Jun 2020 #21
Does Harris help in any swing states? Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #26
Nope. Probably hurts, actually. nt coti Jun 2020 #55
Plenty of potential, TheCowsCameHome Jun 2020 #25
She needs some federal experience imo. Get in the house first. SweetieD Jun 2020 #28
I talk about Elizabeth Warren and Katie Porter being bright all the time. BComplex Jun 2020 #30
I said white men. SweetieD Jun 2020 #31
White men are often called bright, just like anyone else. BComplex Jun 2020 #34
Hope it's Susan Rice. RelativelyJones Jun 2020 #35
Doubt it - she only got 2% of the recent Monmouth poll womanofthehills Jun 2020 #54
Look at the backgrounds of the last few presidents Coleman Jun 2020 #37
She would be a great choice Bradshaw3 Jun 2020 #38
Me, too, Bradshaw. BComplex Jun 2020 #40
Would have been a good Senatorial candidate for either GA seat grantcart Jun 2020 #42
If you think she is campaigning for it, and she is so brazen and inept BComplex Jun 2020 #43
"If you think she is campaigning for it and she is so brazen" grantcart Jun 2020 #56
Thank you, grantcart. nt PunkinPi Jun 2020 #57
Welcome, thank you grantcart Jun 2020 #59
I don't think so. She's not ready. BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #46
No one is ever ready Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #47
This is the one name I do not want Awsi Dooger Jun 2020 #49
Completely agree. coti Jun 2020 #50
I think she would be a great choice. nt Mosby Jun 2020 #58
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