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hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
23. I have to call you out on strikes
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:37 PM
Sep 2012

strike one - in practice it is not good to embrace the label "radical". It makes you that much easier to defeat. Peace, love and understanding are radical concepts and radically different from the way most people live today, but they are NOT radical as things that people honor in principle.

strike two - size does not matter to me, as much as direction does. A "bigger change" in the WRONG direction is not a good thing. Is it? So why demand bigger changes? Why not "better" changes? And why call them "changes" at all?

Take the first item. "A ban on campaign contributions". The point here is that we need to RETURN to the principles that America is supposed to have been founded on - things like one person, one vote, things like a government "of the people, by the people and for the people.". So to limit campaign contributioins is NOT a "bigger change" as much as it is a "change back" to a government which is not bought by the corporations and the rich and run for their benefit.

strike three - Who is this Obama fellow? Is he Superman? Atlas? The Lord Jesus Christ? Is he gonna save the world all by himself? Right now polls are saying that the country will re-elect Obama, but will also re-elect a Republican house, and is perilously close to a Republican Senate.

I cannot say this enough. It is NOT all about Obama. Republicans need to be defeated in the Senate. Brown needs to lose in Massachusetts and win in Ohio. Republicans need to lose in the House. Bachman needs to be defeated. Ryan needs to be defeated in his house race. Jenkins needs to be defeated. Yoder needs to be defeated too, but unfortunately nobody is running against him. Of 435 Republicans running for the House, I would say about 410 of them need to be defeated. Maybe 25 of them are decent, or at least better people than their opponents.

Probably though, you are a younger person than I am. In my younger days, I embraced socialist and said "damn the torpedoes" to public opinion.

But I lived and I learned. I jumped on that windmill and got slammed to the ground.

As such now, if all my friends are jumping on a windmill, I am not gonna join in.

good post cali Sep 2012 #1
Yes, he can push those ideas using the bully pulpit, but other than that he can't just do it Zalatix Sep 2012 #2
A radical leftist does not point his finger at leftists rudycantfail Sep 2012 #4
You get to pick quaker bill Sep 2012 #7
This is all about trying to push a third party without actually saying it outright. Zalatix Sep 2012 #15
I point the finger at people who stay home. Zalatix Sep 2012 #8
The left has to vote - lovemydog Sep 2012 #3
Love your ideas! dougolat Sep 2012 #5
I'll see that and raise ya an end to private prisons. And privatization in general. Zalatix Sep 2012 #10
Welcome to my liberal republican world viguy007 Sep 2012 #22
Well spoken tavalon Sep 2012 #6
Dental, I would add some kind of cheap or free dental. eom chknltl Sep 2012 #9
How VERY "radically left" of you ... bread_and_roses Sep 2012 #11
You think they could stop him? Good deal, I hope so. Zalatix Sep 2012 #12
I am not interested in "argument"with you bread_and_roses Sep 2012 #13
Of course you're not interested. You don't have any case. Are you with Obama or not? Zalatix Sep 2012 #14
Loyalty oaths are sooo 1950s. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #21
Didn't expect a stand-up-straight answer on that. Zalatix Sep 2012 #24
Tsk. Tsk. You must have the archaic notion that your vote, opinions, belongs to you. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #20
Are you proposing on the DU that we should vote for a 3rd party? Zalatix Sep 2012 #25
Why are you going all McCarthy on members here? leftstreet Sep 2012 #27
Are you proposing on the DU that we should vote for a 3rd party? Zalatix Sep 2012 #29
I'm proposing that my vote belongs to me to use (or not use) as I see fit. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #28
Then we'll never learn one of the two lessons taught to us by the 2000 election. Zalatix Sep 2012 #31
The lesson that Gore failed to get the votes of the left? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #32
That voting for Ralph Nader most certainly HELPED George W Bush by splitting the Anti-W vote. Zalatix Sep 2012 #33
I'm a leftist who is voting for Obama rusty fender Sep 2012 #16
A total ban on campaign contributions? Flying Squirrel Sep 2012 #17
I could never not agree with that today. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #18
Ralph Nader's heart is in the right place viguy007 Sep 2012 #19
I have to call you out on strikes hfojvt Sep 2012 #23
Very sexy litotes. n/t theinquisitivechad Sep 2012 #26
Here's an argument in support of your position that should appeal to all leftists: Even coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #30
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