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NNadir

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18. While conservatives in recent years certainly represent the largest anti-science wing...
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 07:11 AM
Jun 2020

...we should not pretend that contempt for science and engineering does not exist among us on the left.

We have among us, many "antis" anti-vax, anti-nuke, anti-GMO, to name a few.

All three I've just described have done tremendous damage to the world at large, both in human health, environmental sustainability, and the rights of human beings to decent health and nutrition.

My personal feeling is that one has to know some science to be able to comment on its value. That takes hard work and concentration; something not popular in a world where Twitter witticisms are more highly valued than, say, the critical laws of thermodynamics. This extends to applied science, aka "engineering." To be sure, many engineering practices on a massive scale have created intractable problems, notably climate change. On the other hand, addressing climate change - or even more challenging, reversing it - is a tremendous engineering challenge. And, no, holding "Live Earth" concerts and buying Sierra Club calendars doesn't cut it.

What passes on the left for a "pro-science" attitude is often cartoonish and ill advised: We will not save the world by worshiping Elon Musk and his cobalt laced electric car, or processing billions of tons of iron ore and coal to make steel to erect wind turbines served by diesel trucks or diesel barges in once pristine wildernesses.

The fondness here and elsewhere on the left for SpaceX, for just example, with dreams of colonies on Mars, isn't science. It's a carny show.

I believe that the majority of Americans who think that they respect science should not only look for disrespect among red necks at a Trump event in Oklahoma. Sometimes a good look in the mirror might help.

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Why DO conservatives hate science so much? [View all] Tom Yossarian Joad Jun 2020 OP
I love it when people say, "Oh, I don't *believe* in science"... Beartracks Jun 2020 #1
But that's exactly what they think! Grokenstein Jun 2020 #6
I have a friend who "doesn't believe in science" robbob Jun 2020 #15
Yeah, I hear that too. AllyCat Jun 2020 #23
And they think scientific "theory" is the same as other meanings of "theory"... Beartracks Jun 2020 #29
Just got that too treestar Jun 2020 #30
Pythagorus demonstrated the earth was round in 500 BC DBoon Jun 2020 #34
I'll give you two answers vercetti2021 Jun 2020 #2
I'll give you one more. lastlib Jun 2020 #7
+1 2naSalit Jun 2020 #27
Great point vercetti2021 Jun 2020 #35
Even for christians, god is not the answer. Their PREACHER who interprets god is the answer. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2020 #10
Yup StarryNite Jun 2020 #36
Conservative minds, which lack nuance and critical methods, will see in black & white as anarchy. TheBlackAdder Jun 2020 #33
excellent read! handmade34 Jun 2020 #3
TY Tom Yossarian Joad Jun 2020 #28
The "Know Nothing Party" from the 1850s is back. safeinOhio Jun 2020 #4
Ya forgot the "Plug Uglies." 3Hotdogs Jun 2020 #9
I only partially agree... it is true of a faction of American society but not everyone. jimlup Jun 2020 #5
Religion, for the most part. And TV, radio and social network brainwashing NRaleighLiberal Jun 2020 #8
"Inconvenient Truth" that thwarts their greedy exploitations hlthe2b Jun 2020 #11
Science is just like Magic, but real. tecelote Jun 2020 #12
Take for example COVID-19 treestar Jun 2020 #31
Not sure whether it's science itself that they hate Hav Jun 2020 #13
And in the science of debate, "ad hominem" treestar Jun 2020 #32
Excellent Post. Thanks for blazing the way to other articles. Such as! usaf-vet Jun 2020 #14
Because science uses facts and Javaman Jun 2020 #16
The right not accepting science was a problem 20 years ago... Ohio Joe Jun 2020 #17
While conservatives in recent years certainly represent the largest anti-science wing... NNadir Jun 2020 #18
Very well put. gulliver Jun 2020 #38
My dear friend's daughter-in-law has literally said she doesn't believe in science about Covid-19 dlk Jun 2020 #19
They hate what gets in the way of their ideology. JHB Jun 2020 #20
Maybe they just don't want to bear the responsibilities that knowing brings. ancianita Jun 2020 #21
They confused their books JT45242 Jun 2020 #22
It's all about control. Anything that threatens to provide information that will question their Baitball Blogger Jun 2020 #24
"We have literally lobotomized ourselves." ??? diverdownjt Jun 2020 #25
Because the 1%ers and corporations refuse to pay their fair share of taxes vlyons Jun 2020 #26
Many of them believe what they WANT to believe. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #37
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not... gulliver Jun 2020 #39
K&R for the post and the discussion. crickets Jun 2020 #40
because it conflicts with their pandering to religious idiots Skittles Jun 2020 #41
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